Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/After Hours Poetry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 07:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

After Hours Poetry

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This article is entirely self-promotional. The sources used to support this alleged genre are all under the control of its authors. Rklawton (talk) 19:43, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment There is a book citation in the article and here's a news story from a regional paper on Ater Hours Poetry. Doesn't seem to be enough, but perhaps someone can come up with stronger evidence of notability? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:56, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply what we need is an article about the genre. The article cited isn't about the genre - it's about a reading and only uses "After Hours Poetry" in the article's title.  One can well suppose that the reporters were simply writing what they were told by the poets.  It could have been "Smelly Feet" poetry for they could care.  Lastly, the article is about a reading by the very poets responsible for creating this and related notability-challenged articles.  As a result, it lends nothing to the our article's notability.  As for the book citation, that's worth looking into, but given the citation context, the author could be referring only to "meat poetry."  Even so, if this genre had any notability at all, we'd see a lot more references.  Rklawton (talk) 20:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - insufficient sources to establish notability.--Boffob (talk) 20:28, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

From the Author
11/28/2008

We at R.L. Crow do not wish to create any conflict with the editors at Wikipedia. We have tried to address the issues mentioned and are at a loss as to want is needed. Several other Wikipedia editors have helped edit the article to bring it into conformance. You have our full cooperation in correcting and addressing your concerns. We are new to this and just do not understand what is needed. Any help you can give is forever appreciated.

The current list of references was chosen as follows:

1)	Wagner, D.R., to show the history of After Hours Poetry 2)	Access San Francisco, to show that After Hours Poetry is and has been in the public arena. 3)	Six Foot Swells, to show that other publishers have and continue to work in the genre of After Hours Poetry.

Yes one of our authors was used as a reference here. It needs to be noted that one of our editors mistakenly used his personal information to open an account here. The error has been corrected.

Please review recent changes ion the article, as we believe we have met the spirit of Wikipedia’s needs.

We respectfully ask you to please remove this article from you delete list. Thank you, K. St.Marie, R.L. Crow Publications

We can be contacted here or by email at editor395@yahoo.com. Editor395 (talk) 02:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see this discussion at WP:COIN which is relevant here. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Addition Author Comment: In reference to the news article mentioned above. The article was not included as a reference to After Hours Poetry. However, it does demonstrate that the genre has been recognized in the media for a long time. Also, it should be noted that there are well over one hundred such article posted on the internet, all in reference to After Hours Poetry and the writers who work in the genre. We have intentionally stayed away from using these article for references, as we feel they do not meet Wikipedia’s criteria. After Hours Poetry is a relatively young genre of poetry that continues grow at a rapid pace. We feel comfortable that in a short time frame others will be enhancing the article, adding additional references and strengthening its content. We trust the Wikipedia editors will allow the After Hours Poetry article to continue to be part of the Wikipedia world. Again, thank you.

We can be contacted here or by email at editor395@yahoo.com.

Sincerely, K. St.Marie, R.L. Crow PublicationsEditor395 (talk) 03:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply - Notability first - and then an article. Rklawton (talk) 04:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as non-notable. Even if it were, it still reads like a vanity piece and has serious WP:COI issues. Trusilver  08:00, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. JNW (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.