Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aftermath chicago


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 01:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Aftermath chicago

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Declined speedy. There is clearly an assertion of something here, though I don't know if it is importance or significance. The article claims that they are on "A to Z of thrash Metal" though no page number or links (save a link to the book itself). Likewise it is claimed that they were featured on a notable compilation but the source for that is another wikipedia article. I don't have an opinion on this either way (so no "per nom" this time), but some sourcing needs to be confirmed or disconfirmed (I can't believe that is actually a word). Protonk (talk) 07:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC) *Delete Per Ohnoitsjamie above. Article fails WP:MUSIC. Trusilver 16:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Signed to Interscope, the article needs copyediting and lots of it, though. &mdash; neuroIT'S MY BIRTHDAY! 15:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No third-party sources. Though they were signed, still does not meet WP:MUSIC, which says ...has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels... As far as I can tell, they only release one album on Interscope. OhNo itsJamie Talk 16:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Change to neutral. I think that the involvement with a lawsuit creeps up a little bit on WP:BLP1E. Even so, I see enough here to make me unwilling to delete the article but not really enough to satisfy my belief that it passes Trusilver  19:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The name change resulted after the band lost its trademark battle with the rapper Dr. Dre. The band sued Dr. Dre for trademark infringment case citation Tsiolis v. Interscope. Records. Inc., 946 F.Supp. 1344, 1349 (N.D.III. 1996) The case has been referenced in law review article and journals on the issue of tradmark dilution. http://books.google.com/books?id=e67o2-S_riMC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=%22TSIOLIS+V+INTERSCOPE%22&source=web&ots=EtR0w9ZV_V&sig=KScYi4a3viSDK0fACnu7RzR7uao&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result
 * Comment Got an email from the author, who is username blocked right now. I told him to register a different username so he should be on shortly.  He claims that they are on pp. 9-10 of Garry Sharpe-Young's A-Z of Thrash Metal, were featured in various thrash metal mags (including Kerrang, RIP, Metal Maniacs, Metal Hammer, Metal Forces and Raw) and released an album before their Interscope album on Big Chief Records/Warners entitled "Eyes of Tomorrow".  Also (as I think the article claims), they were involved in some lawsuit w/ the Doctor--though I'm not sure that produced any publicity. Protonk (talk) 16:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The band signed with Big Chief/ Warners recorded their "Eyes of Tomorrow" that was released on Thermometer and later re-released on Black Lotus Records http://www.rhapsody.com/aftermath-2/eyes-of-tomorrow and released its subsequent record on Interscope Records in 1998 as Mother God Moviestar  http://www.amazon.com/Mother-God-Moviestar/dp/B0000061Q6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1228149689&sr=8-.

The band also appeared on the Metal Forces' compilation "Sream Your Brains Out" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Forces Reviewed and featured in numerous issues of Kerrang, Metal Forces, Metal Hammer, Rip, etc.Zoident (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC) 
 * Keep, if majorly cleaned up. The trademark dispute seems like a worthwhile topic to make them notable. The article just needs heavy cleanup. --  Zanimum (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 20:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep It The trademark case is in federal court against Dr. Dre should be enough, but when you consider that the band was included in the only compilation record ever released by Metal Forces magazine, then you really see a significance in terms of music. The Metal Forces compilation featured only 5 bands from around the world, Aftermath's inclusion on this exclusive list is truly impressive.  Finally, the band did release 2 records one on an indie and the other on Interscope (major). Zoident (talk) 19:53, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


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