Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agean Cymbals


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  10:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Agean Cymbals

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NCORP fail. A web search found one sketchy source. --- Possibly (talk) 02:41, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * they're an independent maker, so don't have the kind of coverage as Paiste or others but they've been a popular make for a little over a decade, as a quick browse through some of the drummers' forums will tell you (as a drummer myself I can also attest to this anecdotally). Here is a full review from an established drumming magazine and they appear within and here and here in top-5 low-volume cymbal roundups from similar online publications. Chrishillflute (talk) 09:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Funny you should mention Paiste. That article is quite long, yet has all of three references — two of which to the company's own website, and the third a complete irrelevance. Compared to that, this one is downright over-referenced! :) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak delete I simply hate paid editing. It inevitably results in a lot of irrelevant fluff and peacockery, as is the case here; and even if that is removed, the POV still shines through from whatever is left. For that reason, this might need WP:TNT, if there is to remain an article on the subject. And should there be one? I'm not too sure; Turkish cymbals are clearly a big thing, but there are any number of makers, and there's nothing to suggest this is one of the more notable ones. (Which is presumably why the company paid for this article to be created in the first place.) As for referencing, the Jazzdrummer World piece looks okay; the Modern Drummer article could be also, but regrettably it's behind a pay wall. (And a search finds nothing more or better.) In the light of those sources alone, this is borderline at best, hence I'm erring on the deletionist side, but could be easily persuaded to !vote the other way if another solid source was found, and/or someone with access to the MD article could verify it. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep (& improve) After careful consideration I'm changing my !vote to keep. I said earlier that I would be happy do this if another solid source was found, and in fairness one has: the recently-added Anadolu Agency piece, also picked up by Milliyet, counts as RS in my book (even if their RS'ness has been declining in recent years!). So the sourcing now consists of two specialist mags, a solid mainstream news agency, and also a regional lifestyle title (not RS, but not every source needs to be). Promo blurb needs to be weeded out, and generally the article could do with a once-over, but I don't want my lone vote to be the reason this gets deleted. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:35, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 12:32, 26 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 02:53, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: If this article is retained, then this article may need to be WP:TNTTP.--Alcremie (talk) 10:37, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


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