Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agha Mustafa Hassan


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The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Star  Mississippi  02:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Agha Mustafa Hassan

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At first glance, the actor appears to be well-known with numerous roles in television serials, films, and what not. However, upon closer inspection, it becomes evident that the subject only had minor roles in the majority of those television serials and films, thus failing to meet NACTOR. Anyone wishing to argue based on GNG must provide THREE, i repeat, THREE of the best coverages in RS -only. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep Nominator is harassing me by calling me UPE/sock on numerous platforms without any single evidence and nominating all articles created/edited by me despite meeting criteria. As for this AFD, he is clearly meeting WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. I am presenting some sources from reliable newspapers for proving my point.


 * Daily Times


 * Eastern Eye


 * Daily Times


 * Daily Pakistan


 * DAWN News


 * DAWN News


 * Daily Times


 * Dawn Images


 * The News International Libraa2019 (talk) 20:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Libraa2019, Can you please provide WP:THREE best coverage that you believe is sufficient to meet GNG ? — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 23:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You can self choose three best coverage from the ones i mentioned above as they all are best sources and are sufficient to meet GNG. Libraa2019 (talk) 02:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Libraa2019, It's up to you to provide the THREE best coverage that you believe should be good enough to meet GNG. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 09:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * All of them are best coverage. These sources are covering this actor in-depth. i presented more than what you have asked. Daily Times, Dawn News, Daily Pakistan, all of them are reliable and authentic newspapers & These sources are available in B, C and Good rated Pakistani articles.. Libraa2019 (talk) 13:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Libraa2019, Either you're not willing to grasp my point or perhaps simply refuse to WP:LISTEN. Is it a strategy to simply ignore, hoping the AfD will close with no consensus? — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Such things applied to you. In personal disagreements you've gone too far. Editors  have told you on other AFD's that i presented more than what you asked     but you have decided not to listen any. I said it personal because you are Labelling every authentic source as unreliable, every role as minor and hoping to delete articles despite of these articles meeting criteria. Libraa2019 (talk) 23:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I am providing some other reliable sources which i found during research.


 * Geo News


 * Daily Aaj

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla  Ohhhhhh, no! 01:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Bol News  Libraa2019 (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Offering numerous sources won't necessarily strengthen the argument. Can you provide THREE excellent sources instead? — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 17:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The history at mutiple AFD's indicates that i provide authentic sources and you reject so please leave some things to others. Libraa2019 (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And you mentioned at Imaam Mazari's AFD that Coverage doesn't always have to be in-depth but contineously asking me to provide in-depth coverage. Still i presented multiple reliable sources with in-depth coverage. Libraa2019 (talk) 17:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: WP:NACTOR seems met, with various significant roles (although not lead) in notable productions. (Also, WP:THREE is an WP:Essay.) - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  16:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete: Sources are casting announcements or interviews/based on what he says and one of the sources used in the article does not mention him. A few of the sources do mention his role in Tere Bin (2022 TV series) but it's trivial coverage and only one role.   In order to meet WP:NACTOR it has to be shown his roles in multiple notable productions were significant which is proven through sources that have written about him/his roles which is lacking here.  S0091 (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sir its consequently third time where Saqib nominated my creation in retaliation & you voted delete. I am unable to satisfy you despite providing multiple authentic sources which are covering him in-depth. Sources are not only interviews like Daily Times states, . Dawn News wrote, . Eastern Eye said, And the rest of the sources also covering him significantly. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Libraa2019 Thanks. Can you link to those articles and do you have another one that talks about his career? I'll take a look. S0091 (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure Sir, i will link that to article and thats the only issue, the BLP needs references and Should be tagged for "Additional Citations". It does'nt mean we just delete it despite multiple coverage on google. I have mentioned many sources in this AFD, please review them and i will surely add them to BLP. And please dont read sources on this BLP as it was my initial days and some one else also added one fake source in which subject has no where mentioned, I will surely work into it. But due to this nomination, I have provided all the required sources in this AFD for evaluation. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Libraa2019 Like I said, I will take a look if you can link to the articles you are referencing. If they are listed above, please let me know which ones because there are more than one DT and Dawn listed.  While I did look at all them, I may missed something.  S0091 (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Respected S0091, as requested, attaching few sources. Daily Times, Eastern Eye , DAWN News , DAWN News  Libraa2019 (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The Daily Times has role by-line (Web Desk) and is a press release announcing he has been cast in Neeli Zinda Hai so is a primary source and not independent. Here is another article which is almost word-for-word the same.  The Eastern Eye is also a role by-line and is list of Hassan's favourite 10 TV shows so primary with a brief introduction listing some of the shows he has acted in.  The first Dawn is a role by-line (Entertainment Desk) and based on an interview so primary.  It lists some of the shows he has acted in and does state His negative role in Tere Bin, Malik Zubair, was well received but doesn't state by whom.  The second Dawn is about what he said during his appearance on Sama TV's morning show so primary and also lists shows he has acted in and states His negative role in 'Tere Bin', Malik Zubair, was highly appreciated. I note that the two Dawn's were published years apart, one in 2021 and one in 2023 and the portion that talks about is career is almost word-for-word the same (what you quoted above) which suggests it is a standard a blurb. None of these demonstrate the significance of his roles outside of maybe Tere Bin but even those are trivial mentions. S0091 (talk) 16:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * All of them are not primary, i am doubting your assessment and if they are primary then what exactly are the secondary sources. Also you can check this sources too DAWN News, Dawn Images , The News International , Geo News ,Daily Aaj , Bol News   Libraa2019 (talk) 16:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See PSTS. Primary sources can be used sparingly but do not establish notability.  Analysis of his work/life would be secondary but press releases, interviews/what he says are primary.  I will find some examples and share them with you on your talk page.  As for these additional sources, one is the same Dawn from above and the other two are mentions in a list of cast members. S0091 (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Libraa2019, Please do not cite BOL News in future discussions as it is a WP:DEPREC. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 12:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqib it is not deprecated as that requires a formal RFC at RSN but it is unreliable (WP:GUNREL). S0091 (talk) 14:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


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