Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agot Elementary School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep,  move by Livitup endorsed. No need for further action. lifebaka++ 13:56, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Agot

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Elementary schools are rarely notable, and this one isn't. PeterCantropus (talk) 09:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak delete According to the WP:SCHOOL guidelines, only degree granting schools and senior secondary schools are generally notable. It says here: 'For elementary and middle schools, reliable secondary sources are usually too limited for notability'; while there are exceptions, this school doesn't appear to meet them. Artene50 (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:SCHOOL is a failed proposal at present as it has not gained consensus despite it being propsed for adoption on several occasions, so it's probably not appropriate to reference it. Nick Dowling (talk) 10:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions.   —• Gene93k (talk) 10:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   —• Gene93k (talk) 10:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment If the article were about the place where the school is located-- "Agot, Marinduque, the Philippines" -- then it would probably not be subject to deletion. I suggest that the author might want to rework the article, to make it about the village, and not just about the school itself.  If that doesn't happen, however, then policy would require a deletion.  Mandsford (talk) 14:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. As what User:Sky Harbor said in another school-related AfD... Philippine school articles, whether elementary or secondary, are listed for AFD usually because they are not notable outside the Philippines (or that schools in general are not always notable), but given that the basis for AFD would most likely be the content of the article (the locale and who the school is named after) and/or the lack of sources, I'd say that this article only needs a good bit of expansion.  Please be careful about violating WP:BIAS. Starczamora (talk) 14:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. We keep saying "usually because they are not notable outside the Philippines". Is this school even notable inside the Philippines? Or is it even notable within MIMAROPA? -- Howard  the   Duck  14:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep—I boldly moved this to Agot and identifed it as a barangay, cleaned up the details on the school, and tidied references. It's a stub, for sure, but suitable for inclusion now.  Livitup (talk) 14:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Endorse the move, even though it confuses the AfD, since Agot should probably exist as a place, and yes Agot Elementary School probably should not exist as a separate article. Jclemens (talk) 16:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Endorse Move The article is not notable in itself, however, it is a good addition to the Agot article. IceUnshattered (talk) 23:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Endorse move: the school is not notable but can be mentioned in the context of the area. CRGreathouse (t | c) 17:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Given positions established on other barangay AFDs in the past, barangays in themselves are usually not notable and should only be created when the notability is already established. Moving the article on the school to a page on a barangay would complicate this guideline.  However, as what I have said in another school AFD and as cited above, I will support the article's retention if notability can be established for this school (my family is not from Boac, rather, we are from Gasan, which is south of Boac, so I cannot help in this respect). I do question though the use of the school notability guideline, given that it never reached consensus. --Sky Harbor (talk) 08:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: Actually, most of the time, barangay articles are kept. So I don't expect this will be deleted. I'd oppose creation of public elementary schools since most of the time they're not notable outside their municipality or even barangay. -- Howard  the   Duck  13:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case, let's propose a guideline on how to name barangay articles. All barangay articles should conform to this naming format: (barangay), (municipality/city), (province).  This means that a barangay such as Barangay Agot in Boac should be moved to Agot, Boac, Marinduque (or Barangay Agot, Boac, Marinduque) if ever. --Sky Harbor (talk) 11:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer Barangay Agot, Boac, Marinduque. I have done that in several barangay-related articles. Starczamora (talk) 13:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.