Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agro-Industry Complex


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all except for Ghar-e Rubah Minining Complex, Iran Engineerging Company, Iran Rubberworks, Qazvin-Rasht Road Construction Company, Unity Cooperative Company and Ziaran Meat Packing Company deleted via PROD and Defense Industry Complex, Isfahan and Natanz Steel Plant removed from nomination list and Nuclear Power Plant, Bushehr turned into a redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 17:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Agro-Industry Complex

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Mass-created article made in violation of WP:MASSCREATE/WP:MEATBOT based on the 2006 Iranian census, see Arbitration/Requests/Case/Carlossuarez46 for all the gory details. The Iranian census gathered data by whatever the closest named landmark was, including pumps, factories, farms, bridges, individual houses and so-forth. Carlossuarez46 apparently realised that something was wrong in this case based on the name, but decided that this (and every other case like it) was really a "company town" despite no source actually saying so. As such this fails WP:GEOLAND#1 since it is not really a legally-recognised populated place, but instead a factory of some kind that census-takers have used as a reference point. The real standard that should be applied here is WP:CORP as it is a company/organisation of some kind. This article obviously fails that standard, as there is no evidence even of a WP:GNG pass much less the kind of coverage needed to pass WP:AUD/WP:CORPDEPTH.

Together with this article I am also nominating the articles on the following list, all of which appear to have been hoax/spam articles created by Carlossuarez46 using the same template and sourcing, and which Carlos also added to the "Company towns in Iran" category. As such bundling is justified per WP:BUNDLE. In all cases, the appropriate standard is WP:CORP since they are really companies/institutions and they fail that standard.

Coverage in Wiki-like sources like Citypedia.ir, Tageo, Geonames or similar sources does not remedy this issue as they are unreliable. GEOnet Names Server is also unreliable for the purpose of establishing a WP:GEOLAND#1 pass per the RSN discussion. Similarly, use of company/institutional websites cannot sustain a WP:CORP pass, nor can coverage in local press, or WP:MILL coverage. Some of the articles are accompanied by co-ordinates but it is not clear where these co-ordinates were obtained from and they often do not point to a site that is built on, but even when they do it is impossible to know what they point to without engaging in WP:OR. Even if the co-ordinates do indicate a village, it is impossible to know whether the village is known by the name in the article.

The only exception are articles like Nuclear Power Plant, Bushehr which are about very notable topics. . . which are already covered entirely by other articles (e.g., Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant).

(PS - these will all be templated with AWB soon) FOARP (talk) 18:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Iran. FOARP (talk) 18:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedural close : WP:TRAINWRECK. It is impossible to conduct any semblance of a deletion discussion with a nomination of 216 (!) articles. This needs to be broken up into much smaller bundles. Curbon7 (talk) 18:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I do concur that it is more likely than not that they'll all be deleted, so this isn't as strong a trainwreck as, say WP:Articles for deletion/Mayoral elections. Curbon7 (talk) 19:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all: I'm skittish to delete 216 articles without taking a look at more than just a few, but I don't want to let procedure get in the way of deleting obviously non-notable articles. Curbon7 (talk) 18:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete most. Which is to say, delete all if they remain in their current state. If later contributions to this AfD individually identify some of them as having specifically identified additional sources that might plausibly cause them to meet WP:NCORP, then those ones can be kept or separately discussed. Do not break up the AfD into smaller bundles; in their current state, these are all much the same: geostubs, badly created by misinterpreting a database, and in need of either individual attention or deletion. There's no point in making AfD participants repeat the same opinion on them until they are no longer the same as each other. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * delete all If someone identifies individual articles which have been expanded into something with adequate sourcing, fine, they can be kept if they pass GNG thereby. A check of some of fifteen of the more promising names produced only Natanz Steel Plant as having been expanded with sources, so it should be removed from this list and considered separately. The rest should be deleted as we have done so with the other mass-entered Iran census articles. Mangoe (talk) 19:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per David Eppstein. We can’t spend the next decade sifting through all this junk. If any individual articles deserve to be pulled out and saved, great. Otherwise the sooner we get rid of this detritus the better. Mccapra (talk) 19:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all as the easiest, most straight forward way to deal with this mess. Yilloslime (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment Most of these pages have not been tagged. I have unilaterally redirected Nuclear Power Plant, Bushehr to Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 01:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 01:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all, we do not need to keep these "articles" around any longer with pointless bureaucracy. These are all the same article with the names and numbers scrambled. If one is greenlit to go, all of them should be. — VersaceSpace  🌃 01:27, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment I have run AWB to tag all the pages except for Nuclear Power Plant, Bushehr since it has been redirected. I also note that had prodded the following pages on 26 July 2022:
 * I have left the prod template up since it wasn't contested. I leave it to other editors to decide to de-prod them or have these articles deleted (since it is close to the 7 days for prods). – robertsky (talk) 01:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I recalled also Ghar-e Rubah Minining Complex and Iran Engineerging Company — notice also that these were misspelled. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I came here for Defense Industry Complex, Isfahan which was also a page PRODed by VersaceSpace. The deprod was requested by a month back, which I accepted. The user then added more refs. If it needs a discussion, I would like it to be a separate AfD, and not bundled with this.  Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 02:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - Happy to strike Natanz Steel, Bushehr Nuclear, and Defense Industry Complex, Isfahan from the list. I had reviewed Natanz steel and wasn’t sure the sourcing was a WP:CORP pass, but the strike coverage looks fairly notable. For the Defense Industry Complex in Isfahan, I do wonder how they know that the town they are talking about is the same thing as the generically-named industry complex. FOARP (talk) 06:32, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Defense Industry Complex in Isfahan: From the RfU request, I saw that the editor was connected to the place and stayed there for 5+ years. And I had suggested to add more reliable sources. Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 13:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Jay - RE: Defense Industry Complex, Isfahan, having looked at the sourcing, it looks like the only reliable sources are reports of the same incident in which “martyrs” were buried there. It’s not really Sigcov of anything, neither the factories that are there for WP:Corps, nor the town for WP:GNG, nor proof of legal recognition for a WP:Geoland#1 pass. I’m happy to discuss separately but my !vote would still be delete. FOARP (talk) 15:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I came here for Defense Industry Complex, Isfahan which was also a page PRODed by VersaceSpace. The deprod was requested by a month back, which I accepted. The user then added more refs. If it needs a discussion, I would like it to be a separate AfD, and not bundled with this.  Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 02:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - Happy to strike Natanz Steel, Bushehr Nuclear, and Defense Industry Complex, Isfahan from the list. I had reviewed Natanz steel and wasn’t sure the sourcing was a WP:CORP pass, but the strike coverage looks fairly notable. For the Defense Industry Complex in Isfahan, I do wonder how they know that the town they are talking about is the same thing as the generically-named industry complex. FOARP (talk) 06:32, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Defense Industry Complex in Isfahan: From the RfU request, I saw that the editor was connected to the place and stayed there for 5+ years. And I had suggested to add more reliable sources. Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 13:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Jay - RE: Defense Industry Complex, Isfahan, having looked at the sourcing, it looks like the only reliable sources are reports of the same incident in which “martyrs” were buried there. It’s not really Sigcov of anything, neither the factories that are there for WP:Corps, nor the town for WP:GNG, nor proof of legal recognition for a WP:Geoland#1 pass. I’m happy to discuss separately but my !vote would still be delete. FOARP (talk) 15:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete all and start from scratch if there is anything worth the effort. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:32, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all, I've seen many of these articles and I've questioned the quality and notability of them. Seems easiest to just start from scratch at this point. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all I checked a large amount of them and also thoroughly read the nomination rationale and agree with and reiterate every point of it.  Also, GNG is not established and the SNG specifically excludes entities invented by census-taking processes. <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk) 18:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * BTW, I didn't see any that has real sources and a real article. If anyone comes up with such they can be (re)created. <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk) 18:51, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete all per WP:V. Even if these do actually exist as populated places, we don't have any reliable sources to verify that fact, and the burden of proof is on those who want to keep the content. And frankly given the very small amount of content in each it would be easier to start again with the ones that do exist.  Hut 8.5  17:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom Avilich (talk) 20:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Does not meet requirements of WP:CORP. Gusfriend (talk) 09:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.