Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ah pukuh


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The result was   redirect to Ah Puch. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah pukuh

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delete, presumably "Ah Pukuh" is intended to refer to Ah Puch, a name for a Maya death deity that we already have an article on. While there are several variant spellings and names, Ah Pukuh is not one of them. In some highland Mayan languages there is a term pukuh meaning an evil spirit in traditional folklore, but that's not really related to or the same thing as the precolumbian death god. Instead the name Ah Pukuh is something appearing only in the juvenile fiction book Middleworld. No reason to keep this even as a redirect to Ah Puch, it's not a plausible name variation, and is incorrect. cjllw ʘ  TALK 07:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  —cjllw  ʘ  TALK 08:02, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Ah Puch. Simonm223 (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Rather than redirect to Ah Puch, Ah Puch should be redirected to Ah Pukuh. Far from being implausible, Ah Pukuh is the correct name according to both Eric Thompson the eminent Maya scholar and Prof Marc Zender of Harvard. Thompson writes: "Brinton (1895:44) cites Father Hernandez, quoted in Las Casas, as the source for Ah Puch as a name of the death god, and that name has been accepted by most modern writers, including myself. In fact, no such name occurs in the source; it is written Eopuco, probably Ah Pucu, which is surely the same as Pucuh, name for the lord of the underworld in Tzeltal, Tzotzil, and Tojolabal" See Thompson, J. Eric S, Maya History and Religion. Civilization of the American Indian Series, No. 99. Norman: University of Oklahoma Press. ISBN 0-8061-0884-3. OCLC 177832. 1970 The use of Ah Puch is an error that has gone uncorrected for far too long. Neatguy (talk) 15:52, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not the place to promote The TruthTM. We say what the weight of reliable sources says. Tim Song (talk) 00:20, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Redirect to Ah Puch as the most plausible spelling per the sources. Alternatively, as a compromise to Neatguy, above, I'd suggest a merge and redirect to Ricardo Montalban. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 00:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * As per what credible sources - Tiger? (The Ah Puch article is sorely lacking in any references.) I'd say both entries should be listed under god A. Bolon Tzakab (talk) 20:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have started a new article on Maya Death Gods (including the Death Gods of the Popol Vuh and Kisin/Cizin). Pukuh will find its place there. 94.212.212.36 (talk) 16:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

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