Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Emad Eldin


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 20:56, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Ahmed Emad Eldin

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This guy created the cover art for one Pink Floyd album cover (The Endless River). All the sources I can find cover the subject only in relation to the album cover - all the notable information can be covered in the Endless River article. See WP:SINGLEEVENT. Popcornduff (talk) 06:57, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete and Merge. Making the album cover art for a single Pink Floyd album does not make you a famous or notable person. If there is any noteworthy information here in this article it should be merged into The Endless River article. This article is not noteworthy enough on its own and all the information in it of any pertinence to Wikipedia could be moved to The Endless River. Agreed with the nominator regarding WP:BLP1E. It is Pink Floyd who is famous and notable, and to a lesser extent each of their albums, not Ahmed Emad Eldin. Yetisyny (talk) 12:02, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete he's only done one notable thing: Design an album cover for Pink Floyd. Fails all our tests as coverage is about a single event.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:01, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Pink Floyd's The Endless River sold 2.5 million copies in 2014 - the scale of sales and the historical importance of the album elevates the cast of characters involved in constructing to a different level of notability. This is not an album cover for an ordinary band. Emad Eldin was filling the shoes of Storm Thorgerson and worked with Aubrey Powell on this project - a very high profile collaboration in its own right. Adobe has described Emad Eldin as "an acclaimed digital artist and photo manipulator whose work has been displayed all over, from museums to the sleeve of Pink Floyd's 'The Endless River'". He was featured as one of Adobe's top 25 artists under the age of 25 this year. He has made album cover work for other artists including Massar Egbari and Hamza Namira. He has been interviewed a good number of times since that Pink Floyd album cover, including recently by Vice Media, and is featured in his own right in the exhibit Pink Floyd: Their Mortal Remains. Emad Eldin has also produced movie posters for the films "Stray" (2017),"Heavy Rain" (a New York Film Academy production - Emad Eldin received an award for the movie poster)(2018), and "Clash" (2016). One concern I have is that the perception of notability here can be distorted by unintentional ethnocentrism. While a lot of the publicity that has followed Emad Eldin's Pink Floyd album cover originates in the MENA region and Europe it shouldn't diminish the recognition the artist has received, especially since it recognizes his work past that particular project. I would be more than happy to add references to these items to help improve and preserve the article.--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 20:20, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The majority of the examples of notability you suggest here - such as the collaboration with Audrey Powell, and the mention by Adobe - apply to the Endless River cover and can be covered in the Endless River article where necessary. I've investigated the films you mention, which appear to have varying degrees of notability, but I can't find any notable sources covering Emad Eldin's work on them. Remember that the vast majority of movie poster designers, even for major films, are not themselves notable enough for Wikipedia pages. If you can find multiple high-quality sources demonstrating notability beyond WP:SINGLEEVENT then great, add them. But I suspect they're not out there. Popcornduff (talk) 05:08, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Pink Floyd sells albums for their music, not their cover art. As well, if the artist were as notable as 1987atomheartbrother makes him out to be, items like the Floyd album cover would be in major musuem collections. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:44, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Pink Floyd's album covers have long been the subject of marketing and exhibitions of their own, e.g., Taken by Storm. (These covers have been a significant source of revenue for both the band and the artists). The Endless River cover has been featured at the Victoria & Albert museum and this past July Emad Eldin's work was featured at Sala Dogana in Palazzo Ducale in Genoa, as part of the exhibition "Bad Consumers."--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 14:13, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * News flash: nobody buys empty album covers without the music inside, except for a very, very tiny fringe of society that is really into album covers and promoting the history of album covers. Every city has a half dozen or so people like this. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:20, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That’s a subjective view. There are many articles on Wikipedia devoted to subjects that have a stronger following in niche markets. Wikipedia is a great resource precisely because it can provide the depth of information for everyone to understand these. BTW, I’m keeping the tone here respectful and professional. An opinion is welcome but shouldn’t be construed as a “news flash.”--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 03:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry if you misinterpret my comment. We keep things because they have a following in niche markets? Above and below you are posting lots of arguments for assigning notability, none of which are within current policy. This is WP:SINGLEVENT. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Meets GNG - plenty of sources. "Pink Floyd sells albums for their music, not their cover art." I've got one word for you, and that's Hipgnosis. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:53, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Here's what that same search looks like if you remove Pink Floyd from the results. The debate is whether this is a WP:SINGLEEVENT case. If the artist had received attention for creating multiple album covers (such as Pink Floyd cover artist Storm Thorgerson) then there would be grounds for notability. Popcornduff (talk) 12:20, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * He has made album cover work for other artists including Massar Egbari and Hamza Namira.--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 14:13, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Are there reliable sources discussing these works in detail? Popcornduff (talk) 14:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There are: search results will vary, of course, in terms of what comes up first, based on the region of the search. For Hamza Namira, that is a more recent project so I suspect sources are more ample for Massar Egbari. I will add links to the article today to help support and elaborate on that.--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 14:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have not had time to add citations/references today to illustrate what an improved article could look like; busy day. Will do my best to do that tomorrow as it seems adding resources could give the article the substance it needs, or at least a perspective informed by those improvements.--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 03:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:54, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to The Endless River per WP:BLP1E. People like Peter Wang have gotten more than enough coverage for WP:GNG and failed WP:BLP1E, so making an album cover really isn't enough. While this artist seems to have potential for an article in the future, all the coverage is surrounding the album cover. The album cover and the artist's involvement is already covered in the main article. I'll change my opinion if sources for subsequent coverage turn up as promised. – FenixFeather (talk) (Contribs) 23:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Added references and enumerated the film posters and other albums the artist has worked on. The references are in English and Arabic. Over time I can add details about each but thought it was critical to at least enumerate these projects and attach citations with them as quickly as possible given our discussion here. Removed the Facebook account link from External Links. Added subject's proper URL. As I mention here, I can flesh out more details on each posters and other album work over time. I also hope to add information about at least one museum exhibit and one award.--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 08:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Added an additional two references or so, updated some of the language including some corrections. Links relate to exhibition work and movie poster work, an award. I am more than happy to continue fleshing out the narrative a bit more on these items but also find additional references: I find most of it is that the news items are in Europe and the MENA region - no less important than if they were coming from an English speaking country but they don't turn up in English search engines as quickly. Frankly, this is just a function of the market the search engine serves than the actual availability of news. I welcome feedback on additional sources and additional edits, etc. I will delve back into the article as soon as I can in the next 24-48 hours to see what can be improved or what I have missed so far. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1987atomheartbrother (talk • contribs) 22:21, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment1987atomheartbrother, about half of this page is filled with your rebuttals at this point. You might want to read WP:BLUDGEON. it's time to hear from other users.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * My two comments directly above are not rebuttals: I am respectfully supporting FenixFeather's point, providing continuity to the discourse they presented, which I thought was constructive: I responded to the portion of their note where they address the need for "sources for subsequent coverage" with information on the updates made to the article in that context.--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:02, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You're monopolizing the discussion with the hope that you can WP:BLUDGEON it into being kept. That's very clear. Let others have their say. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 13:34, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly meets GNG and clearly not a case of WP:BLP1E. Neither the Wikipedia community nor our readership would be served by removing this article. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:31, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEYMANN. This article is dramatically better than it was on September 3, and the additional referenced content makes it clear that BLP1E no longer applies. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  18:05, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, albeit reluctantly. I suppose the subject has received enough coverage in the press to sustain an article, but some of the sources are, pardon my language, absolute garbage. "Egyptian Teenager Selected Among Best 25 Visual Artists Worldwide". No, he made a 25-under-25 list of a promotional magazine by a software vendor (Adobe) that sells the digital tools that were used to create the image. He is in no way one of the best visual artists in the world, however subjective that assessment is. To use such utter drivel in an encyclopedia article is a disgrace. --Vexations (talk) 12:20, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Agree with Vexations that recent improvements have made the article pass GNG and BLP1E, with the caveat that the sources aren't the best and are really stretching it. – <b style="color:SlateBlue">FenixFeather</b> (talk) (Contribs) 00:15, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


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