Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Hamdi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.  Sandstein  05:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Ahmed Hamdi

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Unreferenced biography. Even if well referenced, being a medal holder doesn't qualify him for a wikipedia entry.  R a f y  talk 13:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not enough supported by neutral sources --Yamsahh (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep He is presumed to be notable because he meets not just one but two of the criteria at WP:SOLDIER, which says "an individual will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they: Were awarded their nation's highest award for valour ... (or) Held a rank considered to be a flag, general or air officer". The miltary rank and basic outlines of Hamdi's life are confirmed by reliable sources, such as this Google search and this book. It is unusual and notable for a general to be killed in combat.  According to this website, the Sinai Star 1st class is Egypt's "highest award for bravery in battle".  This website says that the Sinai Star 1st class is "awarded to members of the armed forces who display an exceptional level of courage or resourcefulness, resulting in the infliction of casualties on the enemy while in action. The Order has been awarded posthumously."  There is a very strong presumption that more in-depth sources are available in Arabic.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  19:06, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You have a very valid point here. I suggest adding those references and closing the discussion.--  R a f y  talk 16:14, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 20:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep if it can be established beyond reasonable doubt that he was a general officer and/or did receive Egypt's highest award for gallantry, either of which would qualify him under WP:SOLDIER and WP:UCS. I appreciate the article is poorly written and doesn't include any sources as yet. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply to Rafy Thank you for the positive response to my input, Rafy. Though sources exist in English, they are a bit sketchy, and mostly related to the tunnel under the Suez Canal named for him.  I notice on your userpage, Rafy, that you are fluent in Arabic.  Can you possibly search for a high quality Arabic source or two that would confirm the main facts?  I have not been able to confirm in English that he was awarded the Sinai Star, but only that it is the highest Egyptian medal for bravery.  Egypt published a ten page booklet about the tunnel in English that may well have a profile of him, but sadly it is not available online.  When English sources are scanty, better sources in other languages are perfectly acceptable.  Thanks again.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  16:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Google isn't Arabic-friendly and tends to accentuate forums results. I will see what I can salvage.--  R a f y  talk 17:48, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep; the subject of the article was a General officer meeting a criteria set forth in WP:SOLDIER. That being said, the article needs drastic improvement and greater references from reliable sources. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:50, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
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