Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Matar


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Erik9 (talk) 16:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Ahmed Matar

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Fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. No evidence the Kuwaiti league is fully pro. Spiderone (talk) 08:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE as he has only played in a semi-professional league; also fails WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 09:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per Bettia's finding that he has played in a fully-pro league, meeting WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 14:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 12:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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 * Keep Professional is professional. It isn't EPL caliber but it is professional. AFC Champions League: 4 appearances for Al Arabi Kuwait says it all. Unless they are not paid and are amatuers.Cptnono (talk) 06:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment You have no evidence to suggest that he has played at a professional level Spiderone (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete never played in a fully professional level, therefore he is a non-notable subject. Really nothing else to say. --Angelo (talk) 07:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment. According to this AFC assessment (which is used as a source on WP:FOOTY's list of fully-pro leagues), the Kuwaiti league has been professional since 2008. If he has played for Al-Arabi since then, he would pass WP:ATHLETE - We just need to find that evidence. Bettia   (bring on the trumpets!)  08:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This translated link may only be a forum post, but it seems to indicate that Mater is still an integral part of the Al Arabi team (he wears their #8 shirt, which suggests first team involvement), therefore it's safe to assume he has played for them since the league went fully-pro and therefore meets WP:ATHLETE. Bettia   (bring on the trumpets!)  11:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Bettia's findings above and this source which indicates he has played in the Kuwaiti Cup in 2006. It only lists when he scored goals, so it's quite likely he has featured in several other league and cup matches. Jogurney (talk) 14:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Easily meets WP:ATHLETE playing for a fully professional team in a fully professional league. Nfitz (talk) 07:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep for fully pro appearances. To not keep would be systemic bias. matt91486 (talk) 23:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
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