Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Rajib Haider


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, in the sense of "do not delete", while not necessarily endorsing the current state of the article. The subject clearly was primarily notable for one event, but there is significant arguments made that the level of reliable-source coverage over the following years suggest sufficient enduring notability for a standalone article, potentially satisfying several of the exceptions to WP:BLP1E. However, there are also very valid concerns that the way the second half of the article primarily covers "related attacks" is rather inappropriate, covering too much information not directly related to Ahmed Rajib Haider. These two opinions are potentially compatible - the subject can be sufficiently notable, but significant parts of it perhaps should be merged to Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh. Ultimately, though, there is a distinct consensus to keep this content in some form, though a full merge and redirect is not necessarily excluded if a trimmed article is trivially short. A merge discussion on the talk page about what content shouldn't really be here is the way forward, from the point of view of AfD this article is clearly not being deleted. ~ mazca  talk 16:43, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Ahmed Rajib Haider

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This person is notable but is not that kind of notable that a separate article should be created for him, the article should be merged with Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh. There was a similar person like this person and he was named Washiqur Rahman Babu, his article was created first but later that was merged with Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh which was done after a deletion discussion; Faisal Abedin Deepan is another person whose article has been merged with Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh (after a deletion discussion). MashNovTan (talk) 09:44, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Author-related deletion discussions.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.67.159.199 (talk) 09:47, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge, per nomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.58.202.165 (talk) 09:56, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The article should be merged like Faisal Abedin Deepan's article and Washiqur Rahman's article, some discussions are needed from experienced Wikipedians. 103.67.159.178 (talk) 10:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2020 January 7.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 10:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. Please see Articles for deletion/Washiqur Rahman (2nd nomination) and [], similar person like this person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.58.202.38 (talk) 10:24, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect in Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh as the person is noted only for being attacked. 103.67.159.113 (talk) 11:15, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


 * comment The nomination and discussion so far bear a striking resemblance to Articles for deletion/Avijit Roy. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:50, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - this article has been subject to damnatio memoriae type vandalism for a while. They have enough media coverage and will certainly get more in the future, going down in history as the Bengali Hamza.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't think eligible for merge. almost added lot of reliable source. no reason for deletion. Source enough Pass WP:GNG.- Nocturnal306  talk  22:25, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Very notable. Plentiful sources.NotButtigieg (talk) 11:23, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This nomination is part of a series of nomination by a group of socks targeting articles on critics of Islam in Bangladesh. This is not a good faith nomination. The subject easily passes GNG.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 12:10, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - there seems to be a bad-faith effort to censor Wikipedia, complete with edit wars. Bearian (talk) 21:27, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Keep. This article is well-referenced (I don't need to repeat the refs, which include several WP:RS/P with him as the specific subject). Britishfinance (talk) 11:37, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete of Redirect I don't get it. A blogger was killed. Notable for being killed? Millions of people get killed. If people insist on keeping something about this merge or redirect it here: Attacks by Islamic extremists in BangladeshLightburst (talk) 21:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Commment. Not only is he given SIGCOV by almost every major RS out there, but the Committee to Protect Journalists give him an obituary and chronicle him as a freelance journalist.  This could be a much bigger article, and the issues surrounding his life and death are profound for this region. Britishfinance (talk) 21:41, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems like a WP:1E. If he had not been killed there would be next to nothing written about him. He was a controversial blogger (which many bloggers try to be - for attention). We really stretch to call him a journalist when he is more of an editorialist. Some references are not even about him, they are about other bloggers. Nearly every article about him is about his death. You can argue his death: getting hacked to death is notable. But I see no reason not to merge or redirect to my target above. Lightburst (talk) 21:51, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete As the person is not someone notable rather than a victim of a terrorist attack, this should not be as a separate article, rather should be here under a list of Terrorist Attack Victims in Bangladesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeotheoneReal (talk • contribs) 09:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The implications of his death, per the considerable RS on the individual even the years after this death, means that it does not meet #3 of WP:BLP1E for failing the requirement of having an article. In addition, WP:BIO1E states that The general rule is to cover the event, not the person. However, if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified – the global media coverage of the individual has been extensive, and was for some period after his death. Britishfinance (talk) 11:16, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Wikipedia can't have articles for all non-established bloggers who tried to earn recognition by blog writings; This blogger was attacked and killed and after that Wikipedia article was created in his name; The whole world has so many bloggers, and if anyone becomes a crime victim Wikipedia can't have articles just for being attacked; In future if some other non-noted bloggers get attacked and die and for that if they get attention by newspapers and/or TV channels for a few days Wikipedia can't have articles for them; Time makes the bloggers forgotten if their articles are present in Wikipedia or not, The world notices so many crime victims like the number 'rape victim women'  are increasing in India and Bangladesh; Does Wikipedia should have all of the rape victim women's article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.38.90 (talk) 15:41, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * When someone gets covered by The New York Times, CNN, and most of the world's major press, and they keep coming back to the story for years afterward, that becomes notable (per WP:GNG). I understand that as an atheist-blogger, he was particularly controversial (and simply hated) to large sections of his country (hence his death), however, Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED – as long as the highest quality independent reliable sources cover him, then so does Wikipedia. Hope that helps. Britishfinance (talk) 16:32, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Whether this article will be kept or not will be decided tomorrow by an administrator as seven days since the article's deletion nomination are going to be completed tomorrow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.111.198.109 (talk) 03:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The article should be kept but it should be merged with Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh with an edited version; an administrator will consider this and I am hoping that some wise Wikipedians will also vote on behalf/against this article or comment. Everyone should also see Articles for deletion/Washiqur Rahman (2nd nomination), the deletion discussion of another Bangladeshi blogger whose article was merged with Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh. 119.30.39.232 (talk) 04:38, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This looks a lot like a WP:BIO1E, with about half the article being about his death and the rest being about "related attacks". That would typically lead to deletion or redirection to an article about the event. Since most comments favor keeping, I'm relisting to provide an opportunity for any additional arguments addressing this concern.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 12:02, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. WP:BIO1E says that The general rule is to cover the event, not the person. However, if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified. We already have a general article on Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh, however, the high-quality RS is significant on this individual (and keeps getting referenced post his 2013 death here and here and here), and therefore a BLP is acceptable.  There are many minor Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh that get minor RS coverage, are forgotten, but get listed in WP, however, this individual received considerably more RS coverage. Britishfinance (talk) 12:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - The news of blogger's death spread world-wide as Islamic terrorists attacked some bloggers between 2013 to 2016; after 2016 the Bangladesh Police either arrested or killed so many terrorist, Bangladesh Police also foiled so many terrorist-attacks, so since 2016 no blogger or other secularist has been killed. New York Times or CNN or BBC can't a make a blogger or secularist famous, this person had no ability to get worldwide recognition, just for an attack he can't be 'a strong renowned person', NYT and other newspaper also publishes so many rape victim's news, so other crime victim person's news are being published in international famous newspapers; as this blogger is only known mainly for his attack and not for his writing his article should be considered for redirecting or the article should be renamed as 'Murder of Ahmed Rajib Haider' like Murder of Nusrat Jahan Rafi - this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.58.202.41 (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - The person's blog writings should have been archived/should be available if he is really notable; Articles for deletion/Washiqur Rahman (2nd nomination) must be seen by an administrator as Washiqur Rahman had similarity with this person (Ahmed); Bangladesh noticed several blogger-killings by Islamist Terrorists from 2013 to 2016 - this is true; newspapers like NYT didn't give any kind of popular recognition to any murdered bloggers, newspapers had just published news. Bangladesh government punished the terrorists but no dead blogger had got official recognition/notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.28 (talk) 07:29, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect in Attacks by Islamic extremists in Bangladesh per nomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.67.159.46 (talk) 13:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.