Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy close. Inappropriate use of AfD to request a noncontroversial page move. I'll handle the move directly this time, but in future when a page needs to be deleted to make way for a page move it would be better handled by using the db-move template. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi

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Clear content fork with Aala Hazrat; exact same individual. The articles were almost identical prior to my reverting Aala Hazrat to an earlier version and making further edits to remove POV, so this article is almost a POV fork now. This article does, however, have the better title, so this POV-laden version should be deleted, and then Aala Hazrat moved here, as "Aala Hazrat" is a POV honorific title. Stability Information East 2 (talk) 06:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Wrong forum (and wrong article nominated) - If you're intending to replace the text at Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi with the text at Aala Hazrat, that's something to be dealt with through normal editing - ie, discuss on the talk page, and when that results in either consensus or apathy, go ahead and do it. I think you're also suggesting Aala Hazrat will then need to be deleted; I agree with you there, and the appropriate course would be to immediately blank it and turn it into a redirect to Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi, as you're right that it represents both an unallowable content fork and bears the less appropriate name.  None of that is something that this AfD is able to rule on, though. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact an early close might be good in case SIE wants to bring Aala Hazrat to AfD, so that we don't get the accidental result of both articles being deleted. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I was suggesting this article be deleted to make way for a move from a far more Wikipedia-appropriate version. To just delete the text currently at this article and cut-and-paste in the contents of Aala Hazrat would be to lose the edit history and discussion of the latter, which brought it to it's current semi-appropriate version.  I could just delete all the text on this current article, redirect to Aala Hazrat, then put in a speedy delete of "Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi" in order to make way for the agreed text to move there.  But in either case the end result is the same. Stability Information East 2 (talk) 10:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * To your addendum: I don't see any need to delete Aala Hazrat, we just need to move the text from there and leave it as a redirect.  I would have opted to just "be bold", but the WP:AFD specifically says that C/P Forks are a valid category for AFD. Stability Information East 2 (talk) 10:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * CP/Forks are definitely a valid category but you're supposed to nominate the page title you want to get rid of, not the one you want to keep. The reason you may want to bring Aala Hazrat to AfD is that blanking the page constitutes deleting it, and it's sometimes easier and faster to get consensus for that kind of thing at AfD (thanks to the time limit) than it is to wrangle it at the talk page. - DustFormsWords (talk) 12:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

(deindent) Again, I do not want to page-blank or delete Aala Hazrat. I plan to use the Move tab to move that article (and its history) in its entirety to the proper title Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi which is currently being taken up by a poor article which I do wish to delete. Aala Hazrat will not be page-blanked or deleted; it's this page that will. Stability Information East 2 (talk) 13:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
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 * Comment: just noticed that the Discussion page for Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi is just a redirect to Aala Hazrat. Yet more evidence that it's the same article, and the bad fork should be deleted to free up the NPOV title for the good fork. Stability Information East 2 (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.