Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Salim (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Overall consensus is for the article to be retained. North America1000 17:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Ahmed Salim
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I'm nominating on behalf of who's a bit lost on nominating, His reason is "Doesn't meet notability guidelines...no reliable sources, no verifiability", I myself have no opinion on the AFD, Cheers – Davey 2010 Talk 10:27, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep maybe even speedy keep. The nominator is correct in his assertion that an identically named article was deleted in 2008 but in the discussion, that individual was described as "NN local Chicago businessman. He and Peter Psihos, also up for deletion, made a small spash in the local media over a smoking ban." Yet this individual is described as "British social entrepreneur and producer." Pretty clearly not the same person. Further, the nominator's assertion that there are "no reliable sources" is inane as he and his exhibition have received plenty of non-trivial third-party coverage. -- Non-Dropframe   talk   11:29, 15 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - Very promotional. Claims appear to be inherited from one heavily-promoted exhibition.--Rpclod (talk) 11:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and I agree with that this should probably be a speedy keep. The old article that was deleted about 7 years ago was obviously about a non-notable person involved in a local news incident. The Ahmed Salim here is a very notable person as demonstrated by the broad range of credible sources giving him coverage. From how I read it, the notability is not just from one exhibition, but from producing several exhibitions, various educational books and at least two movies starring very high profile names. In addition, he appears to be involved in the music industry as an agent representing at least one well known celebrity. If the article appears promotional in tone, this does not alone warrant deletion if the subject is notable, as this subject clearly is. Brownchamcha (talk) 14:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Regarding the point raised by - yes this person is the son of Salim Al-Hassani (who is certainly notable, although this point is not even mentioned in the article), but he is simply running a successful exhibition (1001 Inventions). There are no RS which focus on Ahmed Salim himself, so he is not notable.--الدبوني (talk) 10:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Seeing as the Ahmed Salim article is so well sourced, and his work covers many different education and entertainment media, this seems like a very open-and-shut case for keeping the article and it's hard to understand why this has even been nominated for deletion. There are thousands of articles about individuals on wikipedia who have a lot fewer reliable sources and whose achievements have had much less impact, but there is no clamour for their deletion, so it seems strange this one has been nominated. It has been mentioned by that Ahmed Salim is the son of Salim Al-Hassani. I have searched online but couldn't find any source confirming this to be true. So it appears that  has personal knowledge of Ahmed Salim, and his family, that objective third parties don't have, which leads to the suspicion that the desire of  to delete this article is personal and has nothing to do with the notability of the individual at all. In which case the existence of this nomination looks more like a personal vendetta than a reasonable argument. Wikipedia is not the place to pursue petty vendettas against people you know personally. Which is why I'm voting to keep this article as it is. SuperSallySees (talk) 14:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That is because you are missing out on some Arabic sources. Anyway this is not the point. The point is that despite many references being included in the article, many of them do not even mention Ahmed Salim and even when they do, he is not the subject of the article (the subject is usually 1001 Inventions). I honestly cannot find a single RS which shows this person is notable.--الدبوني (talk) 08:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


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Please add new comments below this notice. North America1000 17:01, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Strong keep - he qualifies based on awards alone.  —Мандичка YO 😜 17:22, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.