Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahool


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete - WP:SNOW applies here, so it would be best to end this. The single 'keep' argument can be discounted by virtue of the overwhelming consensus that the source provided is not reliable or independent of the subject. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:28, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Ahool

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A number of pseudoscientific sources are being cited, but no WP:FRIND sources are apparently available to objectively describe this WP:FRINGE subject -- a supposedly 10 foot tall wingspan bat. As a result, article has been padded out with speculative WP:OR. LuckyLouie (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I was also unable to find anything but fringe sources on this topic. If the root of all of this is folk belief, I'm not finding it. Without a reliable source, I can't tell what's beyond the fringe echo chamber. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 20:35, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete- the only report appears to be "The One True Batman" by Ivan T. Sanderson and Ernst Bartels in a July 1966 issue of Fate, repeated a few times in fringe sources like  Mysterious Creatures: A Guide to Cryptozoology and The Beasts That Hide from Man. Absolutely nothing resembling significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. --tronvillain (talk) 21:10, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Fringe content that doesn't have WP:FRIND doesn't belong here. By the way, this might be of interest to the fringe theory noticeboard if you haven't posted it there already. Nanophosis (talk) 21:27, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like XOR'easter took care of it already. --tronvillain (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2018 (UTC)#


 * Delete per nom, following an appearance on FTN. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 10:19, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:28, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:28, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable. Mentioned in a number of sources published by respected publishers. 91.235.142.81 (talk) 17:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Since the rest of us can't find a single instance of this, care to provide an example? &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 17:11, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Simon and Schuster 91.235.142.81 (talk) 18:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's a publisher. What is it you are referring to that was published by this publisher? &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 18:21, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Look at the references in the article.91.235.142.81 (talk) 18:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Presumably Cryptozoology A To Z: The Encyclopedia Of Loch Monsters, Sasquatch, Chupacabras, And Other Authentic Mysteries of Nature, but that's absolutely not a reliable source independent of the subject, and even if it was, wouldn't establish notability. --tronvillain (talk) 18:31, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's absolutely a reliable source for what it is being used to cite. Good look finding any "independent" source on this topic. All either are pro-Cryptozoology or anti-Cryptozoology. Independent is not necessary to establish notability.91.235.142.81 (talk) 18:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:42. Alexbrn (talk) 18:39, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well played sir. Have a towel. + +  + hands towel +  +  + -Roxy, the dog. barcus 18:43, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Per the definition of "independent" used in the link you have provided those sources are independent.91.235.142.81 (talk) 18:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * From WP:NFRINGE, "A fringe subject (a fringe theory, organization or aspect of a fringe theory) is considered notable enough for a dedicated article if it has been referenced extensively, and in a serious and reliable manner, by major publications that are independent of their promulgators and popularizers." Coleman could not possibly be more of a promoter/popularizer, and a few paragraphs repeating the primary source is not extensive coverage. --tronvillain (talk) 19:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think you know what those words mean. A popularizer is someone who originally made something popular and a promulgator is the originator of something.91.235.142.81 (talk) 19:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure IP, sure. It doesn't matter anyway. --tronvillain (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That response really says it all doesn't it?91.235.142.81 (talk) 19:43, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, because it doesn't constitute extensive coverage, so it doesn't matter whether or not he's a popularize/promulgator? I'm not sure you've looked up the definitions of those words recently though. --tronvillain (talk) 19:51, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Did I say that one source constituted that?91.235.142.81 (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * "Promulgator" does not mean the originator of something. There are literally hundreds (possibly thousands) of dictionaries available on the very internet you're arguing on: please use one. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  20:43, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Nowhere near enough reference material for an article. If the sources are all big lists of cryptids, rather than specifically about this particular one, then this strongly suggests that it is not notable enough for an article although it could be mentioned very briefly in other articles. For example, I'd have no objection to a redirect to List of cryptids provided the entry for it there becomes referenced and the silly picture accompanying it gets removed. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:44, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: per DanielRigal. &mdash; Javert2113 (Let's chat!) 19:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not covered in WP:FRINDependent sources. Alexbrn (talk) 19:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete for lack of coverage independent of cryptozoology. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  13:00, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I love cryptozoology and want them to have strong Wikipedia pages for people to find and learn about. But in this specific case I think we need to delete this article.Sgerbic (talk) 17:22, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete because I live in the real world. Famous dog (woof)(grrr) 10:48, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.