Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ai Nagano (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Ai Nagano
AfDs for this article: 
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ANN search results:

1) Honey Kisaragi (Cutie Honey - main)

2) Precure (Komachi Akimoto - main)

3) Doremi (Reika Tamaki - supporting)

4) Digimon (Miki Kurosaki, Lady Devimon, Suzie Wong - all supporting)

Given that the subject is only known for Honey and Komachi, she is not notable enough and does not pass WP:ENT. The article's claim that the subject is "famous" for her roles are completely unsourced and baseless. Also, the users in the previous (those from the keep camp) have zero capability in role analyzation, so please provide your unbiased view on how we should deal with this article. Please also view Anma Finotera's arguments from the first AFD. I propose deleting this article or redirect to Yes Precure 5 (Komachi is arguably the subject's most notable role). --Sk8erPrince (talk) 10:01, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. --SephyTheThird (talk) 13:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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 * Comment The PreCure one is notable: once a PreCure, always a PreCure for the franchise. Cutey Honey Flash ran for 39 episodes so it isn't a minor Cutey Honey production, and she's the title character. Suzie Wong's main cast for one of the Digimon series. Is that enough to meet WP:ENT? JA Wikipedia article is a stub with mostly filmography. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:02, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Suzie's a significant character in Digimon Tamers, sure, but even Digimon wiki lists Suzie as a secondary character as opposed to the main 3 (being Takato, Henry and Rika). On the other hand, an article that is lacking of reliable sources and also essentially a credits dump are grounds for deletion as well. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 00:33, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 23:45, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I am fairly certain that the Seiyuu Database and the Voice Artist Databse can be used as references in the article so keep with no prejudice against renomination in the near future. – Allen4names (contributions) 06:35, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * They're just as unreliable as Anime News Network's encyclopedia, though. I don't see them as reliable secondary sources. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * They're acceptable as reliable sources, as with MADB, as they are not user-generated/submitted, but they still don't help notability. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 07:20, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Right, that's what I was going to say. Said sources don't help assert a subject's notability at all. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:06, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:40, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets NACTOR 1 for protagonist of Cutie Honey Flash, protagonist of Cutie Honey F and main role in Yes! Precure 5. According to the sources, she has held ten protagonist roles, numerous supporting roles, some of them significant, and several main voice roles in video games.   Th e S te ve   03:38, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * A voice actor merely having voiced as two main roles is not enough to warrant an independent article. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:39, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Three  Th e S te ve   08:48, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * What do you mean, three? There's Honey and Komachi. That's it. Just TWO. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 10:44, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Two TV shows and one movie.  Th e S te ve   11:28, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * So you do not disagree that the subject's only two main roles are Honey and Komachi? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:16, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, let me actually check the sources: According to this one, she has 10 main roles, that one says 11, and this says 11.  I'll go with "more than 3".   Th e S te ve   23:49, 12 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ...Multiple reprisals of a single character only count as ONE role. The subject has reprised two roles repeatedly. That's TWO main roles. Steve, I'm starting to doubt whether or not you know how to count roles. Maybe you should observe related AFDs before you participate in them. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 00:51, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I have no opinion on how to count roles. I use the sources.  That is what wikipedia does.  The sources show 10.  Please show me source that shows her with two.   Th e S te ve   01:09, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Excuse me, what? I just LITERALLY pointed out that the (only) TWO main roles of the subject, Honey Kisaragi and Komachi Akimoto have multiple reprisals. That's why you counted 10 main roles as opposed to 2. But the truth of the matter is, again (please don't make me repeat this - it's really, really irritating), multiple reprisals of a single character only count as ONE role. I have done my own research before nominating these articles for deletion, alright? It's not WP:BEFORE, like how I just started out. I play a different ball game now. I think it's an undeniable fact that you don't know how to count roles. Here, I'll do the work for you. Watch.


 * 1) Honey Kisaragi


 * 2) Komachi Akimoto


 * As you can see, the reprisals add up to at least 10 counts. But so what? It's still TWO ROLES. It's a fact. Steve, please bother VIEWING whether or not they're reprisals, as opposed to a separate role.
 * I am reasonably sure that's not what NACTOR means. A TV show is a separate role from a theatrical release movie, even if the character is the same.  Superman in Lois and Clark is a different role from Superman in Justice League.  They have different infrastructures, different directors, and different writers.  Clark Gregg has one role in Agents of SHIELD and another in Thor, even though they are the same character.   Th e S te ve   02:19, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * None of the aforementioned roles are as notable as Superman and Phil Coulson. In any case, redirecting to Yes Precure 5 might work, because the subject has reprised as Komachi more than any other role she has voiced as, and per Angus, being cast as a Precure is notable (but merely having voiced a single notable role does not account for independent notability). I'm afraid I can't say the same for Honey Kisaragi, however - the subject has not repeatedly reprised as Honey, having been replaced in other Cutie Honey animated productions that precedes and succeeds Cutey Honey F. In the case of Cutey Honey F, the subject has voiced in a 39 episode series + a movie. So, having analyzed these two roles, I still don't think the subject is notable enough to have her own, independent article. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:32, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

-- Now, to counter some of your other points, Steve:

"[Ai has had] numerous supporting roles, some of them significant"

And they are? An empty claim means nothing unless you show me what they are.

"[Ai has voiced for] several main voice roles in video games."

Yeah well, having voiced as just Komachi in a single Precure game isn't what I'd call "several main roles in video games". --Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:45, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

comment I stand by my !vote. Ai Nagano has starred in two TV shows, three movies shown in theatres based on those shows, and three theatrical release crossover movies (out of 8) based on the franchise. You may continue to argue if you wish. Th e S te ve  02:52, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * And I don't think that's enough to establish notability, since there's no news coverage regarding them to further assert how notable those productions are. I don't deny that Komachi is a notable role, though. In any case, do you have any counterarguments for my counterarguments? If not, they will be disregarded in this AFD. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I can see that Newtype USA was added to the references, these are noted people in the field who give reviews. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:38, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep If she is discussed in "Actor Spotlight" in Newtype USA as suggested by that reference then this is a obvious keep. SephyTheThird (talk) 19:58, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Now this is what I call legit arguments, rather than unneeded sympathy for the subject or the article creator. I'm withdrawing. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


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