Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aidan Hawtin


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The result was delete. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 12:36, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Aidan Hawtin

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A non-notable footballer that gained some local coverage after an incident involving Matt Ritchie when he was a ball boy. Only other claim to notability is from technically passing WP:NFOOTBALL for playing one minute of professional football for Oxford; a totally inconsequential substitute appearance. I could find no evidence of being able to pass WP:GNG from this appearance alone and he had a very short subsequent career in non-league as he decided to retire almost immediately after playing in the 4th tier in Norway. There is a growing consensus that footballers that only just pass NFOOTY can and should be deleted if GNG is comprehensively failed. Norwegian sources only cover him in passing, for example this and this. Other than the Oxford Mail sources in the article, we have this passing mention, this one and this short article. At best, a mention in the Matt Ritchie article. Nothing more. Spiderone 12:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  12:37, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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Weak keep. WP:NFOOTBALL says "2.Players who have played, and managers who have managed, in a competitive game between two teams from fully professional leagues will generally be regarded as notable. See a list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football. … Note: For the purposes of this guideline, "played" means having appeared in a match either in the starting lineup or coming on as a substitute." Hawtin qualifies as notable by that criterion, however brief his appearance, and it was at least a League game, and not a minor cup competition. Dave.Dunford (talk) 14:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * At the very top of WP:NFOOTBALL, it says This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) is likely to meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia. NFOOTBALL is merely a guideline to help us decide whether something will pass WP:GNG. If someone comprehensively fails GNG, it's fair to say that scraping by on NFOOTBALL is insufficient. Hawtin is an amateur footballer (most recently playing for Brackley Town reserves) who just so happened to play one minute (one minute!) of a game between two professional teams. The chances are, he probably never even touched the ball. Spiderone  16:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. A wholly non-notable, marginal and trivial figure in the context of a general encyclopaedia.  He would have a place on a Fandom site, certainly, but not here.  RobinCarmody (talk) 21:25, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - scrapes by on NFOOTBALL and I think there is enough coverage to merit an article. GiantSnowman 09:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a marginal figure. No reasonable understanding of GNG gives this person a pass, there is no justification for the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 15:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete notability.-- Pmand Face-smile.svg  •   11:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)  WP:STRIKESOCK       StarM 17:07, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - while notability is not temporary, how SN's are interpreted does change. And WP:NFOOTY is one of those.  There is no doubt that 2 years ago, this would have been a Keep !Vote, but recently, NFOOTY is no longer considered an automatic keep if a player has very few actual senior appearances. In those cases, WP:GNG takes precedence, and in this case the player does not pass that threshhold.  Onel 5969  TT me 21:04, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


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