Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AirG Inc.


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The result was   Keep. Nomination withdrawn. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 06:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

AirG Inc.

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Subject of the article fails WP:ORG. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 13:36, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

To demonstrate that this organization passes the WP:ORG 'notability' test, I cite 1 article in Wall Street Journal, AND report in Mashable 2 demonstrating that organization owns and runs one of the top 10 most frequented services on mobile phones in the United States, AND business insider article citing the organization have over 50 million customers (making it intrinsically notable to those 50 million individuals), AND for fun a Jerry Springer (popular TV show in America) video showing customers discussing their interactions on airG Yotube, perhaps an example of 'inherited and not inherent' notability as defined by WP:ORG. I hope this demonstrates that organization passes the WP:ORG notability test. Jonfrate (talk) 05:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


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 * Delete and draft/userfy simply because although there are some sources, there aren't that many good third-party ones and my searches found results but not much outstanding here, here, here and here. SwisterTwister   talk  04:59, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

* Keep: There are enough reliable secondary sources to establish WP:NOTE. I also made a number of edits to the article. Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 17:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete most of the sources given are press-releases, which don't qualify under WP:N and WP:V... Linkle KMF (talk) 13:42, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: Which sources are press releases? I went through the article quite thoroughly, and none of the nine current sources appear to me to be press releases. Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have added 14 new sources, and I believe just 2 of my sources are press releases. Kimbjorkland (talk) 03:48, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: There are enough reliable secondary sources to establish WP:NOTE. Original post cited WP:ORG concerns, but I see 3rd party evidence citing 'millions' of end users (some 20, some 100 million). 'Notability' can't be a concern with that many customers. I did initial submission, but am still researching and will contribute more to this page. Thanks for reading. Kimbjorkland (talk) 03:48, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * none of the sources establish notability. They are mere press release. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 08:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Exactly, and even press releases reprinted elsewhere do not satisfy the requirements of WP:N. Linkle KMF (talk) 14:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * With respect, I count 24 references (at present), true that 5 or 6 appear to be press releases or reprints, but many of the others are either national newspapers (Globe and Mail, Wall street Journal, Business Insider) or regional newspapers or governmental publicatoins (SF News, Vancouver Sun, Government of Canada Trade Commission). The WP:N "Independent of the subject" test is easily passed. The WP:N "Reliable" test is also passed - in my humble opinion. Best Regards Kimbjorkland (talk) 14:23, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: While I previously voted "keep," I'm quite concerned that recent edits to the article are 1) overtly promotional and 2) being made by sock and/or meat puppets. Therefore, while I think the article likely does meet WP:NOTE, at this point it's probably best to WP:TNT. Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: I have eliminated ALL references to press releases, and corresponding text associate with it. Still needs work. 174.6.117.58 (talk) 16:14, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: As noted by others, I think the subject is notable, and there are lots of external references. Blowing the article away to restart seems excessive. rcousine (talk) 17:41, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Your comment that "As noted by others, I think the subject is notable" seemed like a WP:LEADER to me. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 18:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Is it a bit pejorative to suggest WP:LEADER in this case? Seems like Overzealous deletion. Your initial concerns were that references that were used in article were "mere press releases". Current version of article has 33 references. 0 appear to be press releases. The existing references include: CNET, Wall Street Journal, The Globe & Mail, Business Insider, Wireless Week, GigaOm, Mobile Marketer, Media Post and others. Some are national newspapers. Some are regional publications or industry/trade publications. Does your concern that the references are 'mere press releases' still exist? Jonfrate (talk) 20:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I stand by my statement. The article covers a subject that has been mentioned in major media outlets multiple times. The notability should be beyond dispute. As for blowing up the article? Why? The chances you'll get a better article on the subject the second time around is low. Is there a specific thing you wish was excised or edited from the current version? I might look at making the language a little more NPOV, but that's it. rcousine (talk) 21:01, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.     The article notes: "Similarly, AirG -- a privately owned Vancouver company that employs 100 people -- is keen to get a piece of the U.K. pie. Fred Ghahramani, the company's managing director, started it with two partners in 2000. AirG operates in 30 countries and specializes in mobile gaming and mobile-based social communities." </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow AirG to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:41, 19 July 2015 (UTC)</li></ul> Since the subject notability has been established by multiple independent reliable sources, I withdraw my nomination to Keep the article and am closing the debate. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 06:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


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