Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aircraft, aircrews, and weapons for aircraft carriers during World War II


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Aircraft, aircrews, and weapons for aircraft carriers during World War II

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A good example of WP:NOTESSAY. Lettlerhello • contribs 03:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello • contribs 03:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger One ping only 04:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - If we wanted to preserve an article as a demonstration of WP:NOT, you could easily pick this one. Not enyclopedic. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOT. Mztourist (talk) 05:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - the data on Japanese naval airman Kondo is much more detailed than at our article, and needs to be copied over before this essay is deleted. Buckshot06 (talk) 10:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment -Bryantbob (talk) 19:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC) Is the entire article viewed to be in violation or just some sections or paragraphs? Can the offending sections or paragraphs be discussed in the article’s Talk page to resolve issues rather than deleting the entire article?  The introduction is a brief summary, based upon secondary sources authored by respected historians, about naval warfare in general and specifically about how battles on the oceans affected the outcome of World War II.  I added some text to the beginning of this section to clarify that the assessments made are by such experts, not by me.   This section might be compared to Wikipedia articles about “Causes of World War II” or  “Armored warfare.”  The sections on carrier aircraft compare the features and performance of naval aircraft used extensively during World War II.  The comparisons are based upon secondary sources, which are cited. These sections might be compared to the Wikipedia articles about tanks such as “Tank”, “Tanks in World War II,” or “Comparison of early World War II tanks.”  The sections about pilots include partial biographies of noteworthy people with emphasis on their wartime contributions as aircraft carrier aircrew.  The biographies of two of these people are already included in other Wikipedia articles but not in the detailed context of World War II aircraft carrier operations, which is the focus of this article.  These sections might be compared to the Wikipedia article about “Michael Whittman,” a World War II panzer ace.
 * Delete. Part of this could be salvaged as List of World War II carrier aircraft or as a section in List of aircraft of World War II, but overall it's just in too poor shape to fix. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I removed or revised content that might be viewed as my personal opinions rather than those of the historians cited as sources and removed or revised content that may appear to be more like story-telling rather than history. I believe the article is now in compliance and an integral part of a larger article about aircraft carrier operations during World War II that was broken up into several parts because of the length of the subject matter.Bryantbob (talk) 21:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You should copy the content regarding Kondo and Laurie to their relevant pages. IMO this page will be deleted. Mztourist (talk) 06:05, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Stan Laurie is utterly unnotable. The only sourcing for him is his own, privately published book. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. But the intent of including the experiences of him and the other pilots with the series of articles on aircraft carrier operations was to show the variety of aircraft types, combat assignments, and geographic locations involved for the carriers and their squadrons. Laurie and Kondo served throughout the war and their experiences encompassed many of the important operations in which carriers and their squadrons participated.Bryantbob (talk) 04:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant Lindsey, not Laurie, Laurie doesn't have a page, nor should he. Mztourist (talk) 05:54, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It is not Wikipedia's job to pick a few individuals as an illustration. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Points well taken. Thank you for the comments.Bryantbob (talk) 16:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


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