Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aiysha Saagar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Disregarding the opinion by the blocked 1Wiki8Q5G7FviTHBac3dx8HhdNYwDVstR.  Sandstein  11:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Aiysha Saagar

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her musical career only has YouTube as references. The only other claim to notability is being ambassador for gold coast but that role has no inherent notability. LibStar (talk) 12:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:21, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:21, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:21, 10 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep A few quick google searches showed other more main stream press references to her albums and to her representing the Gold Coast, etc.  The social context of a subject does not matter.   There are multiple and varied secondary source references to the various subject matter of this article.  The ones currently in the article are not necessarily the better references.  Yes, article appears to have been written by somebody not experienced in Wikipedia, but that is not grounds for deletion.   Aoziwe (talk) 04:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * please list the actual sources you refer to. LibStar (talk) 09:00, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * A very small fraction of what is available, a sample of examples. Some probably very reliable, some possibly not so reliable, and some unexpected mentions, across at least Australia, India, and the United Kingdom.  All in all, multiple international secondary sources, in no particular order:
 * http://photos.filmibeat.com/special-events/breathless-kisses-music-album-launch/41219.html#infinite-scroll3
 * http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/events/mumbai/aiysha-saagars-album-launch/articleshow/17334430.cms
 * http://www.indiatvnews.com/photos/039-breathless-kisses-039-by-aiysha-saagar-942.924
 * http://www.indianshowbiz.com/?p=19606
 * http://www.slideshare.net/aiyshasaagar/australian-starlet-pop-singer-aiysha-saagar
 * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2177003/Sultry-singer-Aiysha-Saagar-Gold-Coast-envoy-India.html
 * http://www.mizozo.com/entertainment/07/2012/05/australian-singer-aiysha-saagar-goes-topless-angers-indians.html
 * http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/music/news/Aiysha-Saagar-first-Indian-to-became-brand-Ambassador-of-Gold-Coast/articleshow/15631062.cms?
 * http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20120722/ttlife1.htm
 * http://writerspavilion.com/hot-and-beautiful-aiysha-saagar/
 * https://www.yahoo.com/news/pop-in-punjabi--aussie-style-with-aiysha-saagar.html
 * http://www.justpanjabi.com/2012/11/aiysha-saagar-bio-pics.html
 * http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/music/news/Aiysha-Saagar-first-Indian-to-became-brand-Ambassador-of-Gold-Coast/articleshow/15631062.cms
 * http://www.tntdownunder.com/news/australia/queensland-goodwill-ambassador-aiysha-saagars-topless-picture-leaves-indians-angry
 * https://www.dizylocal.com.au/gold-coast
 * http://www.bindaaskhabar.com/details_aiysha_saagar_s_endorsed_as_ambassador_of_gold_coast_348.html
 * http://www.krollnerdental.com.au/dentist-gold-coast
 * Aoziwe (talk) 10:00, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000  ( talk,  contribs ) 01:14, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per all the sources above, non of which are youtube videos, clearly indicating passing WP:GNG. If India TV and the Dainik Bhaskar indicate she's a pop star, so should we.  Pop stars are notable. --Oakshade (talk) 03:49, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as analyzing the article sources and the ones above show they are literally still only photo galleries, announcements, listings and mentions, none of that establishing actual notability in our policies, the information itself is then we bare as it could be since it's all trivial and unconvincing, none of that helps since the sourcing itself is simply so worse. Sources saying such sheer blatancy as the beautiful and hot woman" is not anywhere damningly near our notability and we would never choose that as a sole basis at all; worse if we say "but they're sources!". For God's sake, one of the sources themselves is to a dental office's URL (!!) so it's clear there's actual intentions of an article here, instead simply filling it with whatever, which is naturally only acceptable for their own website, not here. We never alone take "this or that" as "it's enough for an article" because that's not our policies. The nomination itself shows the fact she's not independently notable for anything and this is all WP:COATRACK, next is the sheer fact some of these websites we explicitly state as unacceptable in our policies, so why would we then say "But they're sources!"? If no one actually looks at these sources, they would've actually seen the damning sheerness of such blatancy as self-advertising professional photos, not actual contents. We base notability and articles by ourselves at AfD, not from what something or someone else apparently labels them, because they are not us, and we are not them. SwisterTwister   talk  07:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Cherry-picking a dental office source doesn't magically make all the other sources establishing notability disappear. --Oakshade (talk) 18:46, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - clearly notable due to clearly significant mentions in clearly reliable sources, clearly to be seen in this discussion already, clearly enough to base a clearly standard and clearly neutral wikipedia article by clearly competent wikipedians. User:SwisterTwister analysis is clearly cookie-cutter, clearly biased and clearly should be dismissed as such.  Like, clearly!  --  1Wiki8 ........................... (talk) 10:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  20:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Of the links in the article, a few of them provide proof of the subject's notability. However, of the new links added here - above - the subject is clearly a celebrity in India, although a minimal one. But is still worthy of its own article space. Scorpion293 (talk) 20:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


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