Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ajmal Selab


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify.‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. This article will be moved to Draft space where it can be improved as reliable sources are found. I suggest submitting it to WP:AFC for review. If it is moved prematurely to main space without significant improvements, it will likely be back at AFD and receive a different outcome. Liz Read! Talk! 02:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Ajmal Selab

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The subject is not the subject of significant sourced commentary in reliable sources. The article indicates the person is a lawyer and a politician, but there is nothing notable about his law career and as a politician, he has not held elected office, and does not meet WP:NPOL. Whpq (talk) 02:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC) SincerelyParwiz ahmadi (talk) 07:02, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Whpq (talk) 02:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet WP:GNG. Using google translate, existing sources are neither independent (statements by subject) nor sigcov (don't cover subject themself in any amount of detph). Cursory english language search shows nothing to aid. Also does not meet WP:NPOL per nom. &mdash;siro&chi;o 04:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * save it He is a famous and well known Afghan-politician and lawyer currently live in Germany. He is the nephew of Ahmad Shah Massoud which considered as Afghan national hero. Also He served 8 years as head of Ahmad zia massoud office during his vice presidency in Afghanistna. Please do not delete this page.


 * Thanks for the input. However, for an article like this, we need independent & reliable sources that have significant coverage of the subject of the article, if you are able to provide any. See WP:GNG and WP:BIO for more information. &mdash;siro&chi;o 09:14, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can provide you. please let me provide it. Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 09:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a reliable reference that I add now to the article, You can see Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 09:53, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You need to have significant coverage about Selab. That article is not about Selab, and just quotes him making statements about somebody else. -- Whpq (talk) 10:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I can add other references, please give me time. Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 12:39, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * An AFD normally is open for 7 days so there is still lots of time to add more references. But I note that you promised to do so since March 14 when you removed the PROD. -- Whpq (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello dear @Whpq .I hope you are well and in good health. I would like to express my gratitude for your collaboration. I have found several new references and added them to the article. I am confident that there are more references available, but due to the Taliban's control and censorship in our country, many websites operating with Afghan domains have been shut down. Ajmal Selab is one of the staunch opponents of the Taliban and is working with the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan. I hope that upon seeing these references, you will be satisfied and reconsider removing this page. Thank you very much for your attention.
 * Sincerely, Parwiz Ahmadi Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 10:29, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to assess newly added sources to the article. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:12, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Afghanistan-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 08:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify - the subject might be notable enough as User:Parwiz ahmadi said but reference quality and coverage is lacking to encyclopedic standards. Needs further improvement but should not be deleted entirely. - Indefensible (talk) 05:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft. Using Google Translate, it seems the entirety of current sources essentially are able to establish that the subject was an assistant of a notable individual Ahmad Zia Massoud, that he was a member of the resistance in Afghanistan, and that he had a hand in constructing a mausoleum for a poet, Haidari wujodi. Everything else is dependent on the subject's words in interviews. SIGCOV can be pieced together from multiple sources. This article would become a minuscule stub based on current sources. I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but user Indefensible's idea of a draft seems like the right course for such an article. I've retracted my above !vote &mdash;siro&chi;o 05:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * save it. Your criteria should be slightly different for a backward country like Afghanistan, where technology and mass media have a relatively short history. Many media outlets, including those operating with the .Af domain, were blocked by the Taliban, resulting in the loss of most references. In this section, I want to emphasize that Ajmal Selab is a prominent figure in Afghanistan. He has been involved in important government and political positions for years, particularly within the Jamiat-E-Islami, which is the strongest political movement in Afghanistan. He is also closely related to Ahmad Shah Massoud, the national hero of Afghanistan. The Afghan people have great respect for this family. In my opinion, the references I have provided are sufficient for this article. I understand that Wikipedia's criteria may be more extensive, but we should also consider the challenges faced by Afghanistan. We should not compare an Afghan politician with an American politician. I hope you keep the article in its original state. Thank you for your cooperation."


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