Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akari Saho


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus - but the debate appeared to be leaning towards a keep per WP:HEY. NO harm to keep for a few months to see what happens next to this kid's career. Bearian (talk) 17:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Akari Saho

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Delete - No evidence of notability, no references, only external link is to a personal userpage. Subject was born in 1995, appears to be a kid who made a page about herself. --Ashershow1talk • contribs 00:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:48, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:48, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Hello! Pro Egg, assuming that page is even notable, of course. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. --Calathan (talk) 19:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. CSE hits. --Gwern (contribs) 19:48 3 March 2011 (GMT)
 * Delete - Incoherent article on a non-notable pop-musician-in-training. Fancruft.  &mdash;SW&mdash; comment 19:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect or Keep - As I've now commented on the talk page for the article, I think that the creator of the article is clearly unrelated to the subject of this article. Anyway, Shugo Chara Egg!, of which Akari Saho is a member, at least passes WP:MUSICBIO criterion 10 as having performed a work used in a notable TV show (singing themes for Shugo Chara!).  WP:MUSICBIO suggests that a member of a notable group who isn't otherwise notable as an individual should be redirected to the article on the group, and a musician or group that is only notable for performing a theme song for a work should be mentioned in the article on that work instead of having a separate article.  That would suggest that Shugo Chara Egg! and Akari Saho should probably both be redirected to Shugo Chara!.  However, Akari Saho was also part of Aa!, which I'm not sure would pass the notability guidelines but if it does that means she was part of two notable groups and should have her own article according to WP:MUSICBIO.  There is also the question whether appearing in live action segments for one of the Shugo Chara! seasons and apparently appearing in a movie (at least according to the article) would allow her to pass WP:ENTERTAINER (unless that movie role was a major role, I don't think it would).  So I think the article should at least be redirected, and possibly kept if it seems like she was a member of multiple notable groups or if her acting work was notable. Calathan (talk) 20:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Also, while User:Ashershow1 was correct that the article had no references when he started the AFD, it looks like several have been added (though only two of those seem independent from the subject). Calathan (talk) 20:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Cirt (talk) 20:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - As it has been stated, I am not personally or professionally involved with the subject of my article, Akari Saho. I am a male caucasian, and not a Japanese teen.  I wrote the article because I wanted an informative article in the English language about Akari to appear on Wikipedia.  Akari has been a member of Hello! Project since 2004, as a Hello! Pro Egg, a trainees group.  She was promoted to three groups since then, Tomoiki Ki Wo Uetai, Shugo Chara Egg! and Aa!  As a member of Shugo Chara Egg! Akari sang the theme songs for the second and third seasons of the anime Shugo Chara!.  Akari replaced a popular member of the group Aa! for concerts and compilation albums, and continues to perform with them at Hello! Project concerts as recent as January of this year.  She has also appeared in the film Hoshisuna no Shima no Chiisana Tenshi ~Mermaid Smile~, released to Japanese theaters last year, and currently on DVD in Japan.  The trailer for this film can be found on YouTube, and Akari does appear in it.  I have not seen the film, so I cannot be sure how large her role is.  Akari even as her own Facebook fan club, if this matters to anyone, called "Eggs-cellent Fans Of Akari Saho".  I believe that she has many fans worldwide.  I did indeed use my user space for the article, which was because it was my first article and I was inexperienced.  Magical Girl Fan (talk) 21:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC)Magical Girl Fan
 * Keep - I've come here to urge you to keep this page. Akari Saho is a member of many groups within the Hello! Project. She is associated with the popular Shugo Chara anime, (which has a very strong American, and English-speaking in general, fanbase) and she has replaced Reina Tanaka in a group (Aa!). I don't see how she could be "not important enough" to have an article, if she replaced a prominent singer such as Tanaka. (Tanaka is one of the lead singers of Morning Musume, a popular Japanese all-girls group.) My point is, those things I've mentioned, along with her roles in that movie mentioned, show that she should be worthy of her article. Besides, a redirect will not suffice, due to her affiliation with various things. (Those would include Hello! Pro Egg, Aa!, and Shugo Chara Egg, to name a few...) Point is there are multiple places where her article could be argued to redirect to, but it can only go to one, right? So I think her article should stay. Maybe it can be revamped to work better. We can all do that. But her article should stay. Thanks for your time. Unlocked Heart (talk) 22:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. As per Unlocked Heart. Doing a multi merge and redirect isn't very efficient. Might as well keep the article.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 18:05, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Might as well mention that I added some sources to her article as well. As I want to help improve the article, I'll be trying to find good sources for all that has been mentioned within the article. With more (reliable) sources, and the already understood fact that the creator is not involved with the subject in any way, I think we can keep the article, no? (The only initial reasons to delete in the first place were lack of references and such, and the suspicion that Magical Girl Fan was involved with Akari Saho (which is not true)). Unlocked Heart (talk) 16:38, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
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