Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akhzivland


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. JForget 01:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Akhzivland

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Nonsense, self-described non-existent and unrecognized country. Gimmick for vacation resort. Shuki (talk) 08:54, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as nom. --Shuki (talk) 08:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  —Shuki (talk) 08:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Silly, perhaps. Nonsense, no.  Notable enough to be referred to in websites, news, books.  Mandsford (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - as notable as any other micronation. This article needs expansion, not deletion. Unrecognized countries such as Somaliland, Venda, Sealand, and Northern Cyprus have Wikipedia articles. While the Israeli Ministry of Tourism now promotes Akhzivland as a tourist attraction, its history indicates that it didn't originate as one (this is repeated in several sources). B.Wind (talk) 14:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The Israeli Ministry of Tourism makes an off hand remark and does not promote it. In fact, the self-described king has been to court many years. He does not issue passports, or stamp those of visitors. --Shuki (talk) 15:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not unique within micronations - in fact, the last sentence is true of most of them. The citations of the micronation's "existence" are there (thus meeting WP:V, WP:RS, and even WP:CORP). B.Wind (talk) 04:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete this thing was never a nation, and he contradicts himself: "Avivi declared the creation of the State of Akhzivland with himself as president. “This way I can stay in Israel, but in my own country," So if he was in Israel how was it a separate nation? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You seem to be conflating micronations with microstates - see List of micronations for explanation in its lede. B.Wind (talk) 04:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are articles about it and it has its own entry in the book Micronations. It doesn't have to be logical, just notable. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I am not doubting that this place exists, but rather that it does not warrant a separate article. Perhaps, it should be in a list of self-proclaimed localities or an article about the phenomenon of self-proclaimed states. --Shuki (talk) 21:22, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * List of micronations perhaps? Note. I've added another source that I hope will help quell the ongoing WP:Edit war between nom and another editor. Clearly the additional source (from an Australian newspaper/web site) bolsters the argument that the entity meets WP:CORP. There are several other worthwhile sources, like this one from Google Books that someone can use to expand this two sentence "stub." 147.70.242.54 (talk) 20:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep is a stub that seems expandable. Dew Kane (talk) 03:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - notable as a micronation. The claim that there are any micronations which aren't gimmicks is contentious. &amp;dorno rocks. (talk) 15:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per my assertion and two additional sources above. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 20:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * But that source does not prove at all the the Israeli Ministry of Tourism is promoting the site. Their is absolutely no evidence to support this claim, which until a source can be verified is false. The claims in this article fails WP:V. The source that is brought in fact relays information that the State of Israel has prosecuted the owner of the resort a few times over many years. Claiming that the Ministry of Tourism promotes this micronation is a lie. Removing this information from the article is not edit warring. This policy requires that a reliable source in the form of an inline citation be supplied, directly supporting any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations, or the material may be removed.  This is merely a seaside resort with a colourful owner. If --Shuki (talk) 22:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The ministry owns the copyright and the www.goisrael.com site itself (the bottom of each page of the site shows "Copyright © Israel Ministry of Tourism - The State of Israel. All rights reserved 2005". So you have a site owned by the State of Israel, whose Ministry of Tourism owns the copyright - this is, by Wikipedia's definition of WP:RS is a reliable site. Assuming the contrary almost borders on nonsense, saying that the site owned and copywritten by the State (and thus has editorial control by the State), is not part of the State. I have noticed that Shuki has not offered one reliable citation refuting this except his claims that it is "a lie." 147.70.242.54 (talk) 02:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep notable. the rest per dew kane and especially b.wind. Outback the koala (talk) 03:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
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