Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akinwunmi Ambode


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Clear delete. Sockpuppets merely DETRACT from any possible arguments to keep, so you certainly did not do yourselves any favours the panda ₯’  13:17, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Akinwunmi Ambode

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Does not pass WP:NOTABILITY criteria Cwobeel (talk) 16:26, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2014 May 2.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 16:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:NBIO failure.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 19:57, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. Cwobeel (talk) 20:01, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. Utterly non-notable. Thomas.W talk 21:05, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as the article's subject clearly meets the notability criteria - basic and additional. The article is based on four independent sources - more than many other articles on wikipedia! Manjudi (talk) 21:49, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Blocked sock. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  13:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Single edit Cwobeel (talk) 22:08, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Do not delete and do not salt. I can confirm that this article meets both the basic and additional notability criteria. Thank you all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jubman (talk • contribs) 22:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)   Blocked sock. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  13:51, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Again, I've struck the vote. Don't vote twice in the same discussion. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  23:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete and salting might be needed, due to AFD tag warring that forced protection. I can't see how the individual passes WP:GNG at this time.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  22:39, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete & Salt as completely non notable. →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  22:53, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep and do not salt. As the creator of this article initially, I can confirm that the created article (before Cwobeel edits that resulted in the current article) met both the basic and additional notability cum WP:BIO criteria. It is important that I mentioned that the current semi-protected article is by Cwobeel, and Cwobeel is requesting for the deletion. I guess Cwobeel request for deletion of Akinwunmi ambode's article may be connected with the fact that Akinwunmi Ambode which is already very popular in Lagos (A state with more than 5 million people in Nigeria) is fast becoming an household name beyond the shores of Lagos, and maybe Cwobeel is not happy with the development. Thank you all. Jubman (talk) 23:51 2 May 2014 (UTC) Blocked sock. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  14:47, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI, I came across this article at the BLP Noticeboard. I have no agenda here. Cwobeel (talk) 23:01, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The only one with an agenda here is you, Jubman.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 12:36, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. The sources are not about the subject. Guy (Help!) 01:25, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment
 * 1) Cwobeel nominated the article, and later also voted "delete". That's not good form, looking like voting twice. Besides, the actual vote was "Delete and salt", without a rationale. Could you explain what "salt" means, in relation to AfD?
 * 2) Re Guy - Sources 1, 2, 4 and 5 are very much about the subject, re-telling his history in government service. Source 3 is his company's official website.
 * 3) The edit-warring about the Afd tag is probably due to the article creator's inexperience, and is irrelevant to determine the notability of the subject. The notability of the subject of the article should be determined by the merits of the subject not the merits of the article's author, or the shape of the article.
 * 4) In this case, to determine notability, we have to consider WP:POLITICIAN, and failing that WP:GNG. Question 1: Is "Accountant General of Lagos State" a statewide political office under WP:POLITICIAN § 1. ? Or, is "Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Finance of Lagos State" such an office? Question 2: Is Ambode a "major local political figure who has received significant press coverage" under WP:POLITICIAN § 2. ? Question 3: Are the stories in 4 different newspapers (perhaps more) "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" under WP:GNG ?
 * 5) I ask all the voters without a rationale to asnswer these questions, stating a rationale, and not just saying yes or no. I remind the admins among the voters that at your RfA you must have stated once to know something about AfD criteria. Kraxler (talk) 13:54, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * "Salt" refers to WP:SALT, i.e. protection of the article title name to prevent a recreation of the article, and is a term that is well known among most, if not all, editors who regularly take part in AfD-discussions, and thus isn't always linked. "Salting" is usually requested in AfD-cases where there has been a lot of disruption on the article (for example repeated deletion of the AfD-banner, as in this case), and where a number of newly created single-purpose accounts suddenly pop-up, !voting in the AfD as their first contribution to WP. No comment on the rest of your post. Thomas.W talk 14:08, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info and link. Kraxler (talk) 14:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * From what I understand, nominators can also provide a comment for Keep, merge, delete, etc. Also, this is not a vote. Cwobeel (talk) 22:39, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * At AfD, nominators are supposed to make their point, including a rationale, in the nomination statement. They may later comment, or reverse, or withdraw, their nomination. To nominate for deletion, and then to vote again delete, is not good form. To vote again without giving a rationale is utterly useless, since not the vote tally but the weight of the arguments decides at AfD. Kraxler (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Allegedly being part of the government (and not its head) of a subnational entity probably does not qualify for WP:POLITICIAN. All that is known is that the subject is being bandied about online as he is tapped in a nepotistic manner to be the successor of Babatunde Fashola as a cursory google search shows. If he is the new governor, then he's notable. Until then, there does not seem to be much proof but there is a lot of promotional puffery.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 14:11, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Re Ryulong - "Allegedly"? I thought there was consensus that Ambode held these offices. Questioning the established facts shows bias. Besides we have articles on, for example, Nicholas Van Vranken Franchot who was New York State Superintendent of Public Works, a statewide appointive office, and who was never Governor of New York. Please read carefully WP:POLITICIAN and then show me where there's written that somebody must be head of the government of a sub-national entity to be notable. Kraxler (talk) 15:54, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:WAX, plus two NYT articles. Apples and oranges, as far as GNG is concerned.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  15:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I know about WP:WAX. It says "The fact that we have an article on X is not an argument to have an article on Y". And that's quite right. In this case, Ryulong invented an amendment to the WP:POLITICIAN guideline, and I used an example to illustrate what the guideline really says, not to support the article up for deletion here. I hope you can see the difference. Kraxler (talk) 17:02, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Judging by the article the post of "accountant-general of Lagos State" is not a political office, but a job filled by civil servants. The article says that Ambode was a civil servant for 27 years, up to 2012, working as permanent secretary of the Ministry of Finance from January 2005, and then given the additional responsibility of being accountant-general of Lagos State in 2006. So WP:POLITICIAN does not apply. In fact the article makes no claims what-so-ever of him ever having held a political office... Thomas.W talk 16:24, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Finally a real argument. I hope this helps eventually the closing admin to come to a conclusion. Thank you, Thomas. Kraxler (talk) 17:02, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep and do not salt.


 * 1) I will like to add that some of the honors and career highlights of Akinwunmi Ambode include: 1) He had the second best result in entire West Africa in the Higher School Certificate Examinations of 1981. 2) He won the Federal Government Scholarship awards for Post-Graduate Studies. 3) He is Hubert Humphrey Fellow and a Fulbright Scholar (USA). 4) He has been recognized for positive contribution to Education by Lagos State University Alumni Association. 5) He won the “Most Outstanding Achievement Award” by the Nigerian Union of Local Government Employees, Lagos State. 6) He had recognition for Outstanding Excellence by Joint Tax Board (JTB)/FIRS on successful organization of the 1st National Tax Retreat in Nigeria. 7) He organized, in his capacity as Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Finance, the first ever National Tax Retreat in Nigeria in conjunction with Joint Tax Board/Federal Inland Revenue Services in 2005. 8) He was the Chairman of the Technical Committee that produced the Lagos State Economic Empowerment Development Strategy (SEEDS) document.9) It is on record that he is the youngest person ever appointed as Auditor General in Lagos State, Nigeria at the age of 37. 10) It is on record that he is the first ever Permanent Secretary to retire voluntarily.
 * 2) Besides, I observed that some parts of my earlier contribution ("Keep and do not salt") was with a line on it that makes it look as if I have cancelled it. I just removed the line before this post. I hope those doing such dirty action will stop the tricks and stop altering the comments of others like me, and allow the closing admin to have all the views without any deletion. Thank you all. Jubman (talk)  00:31  4 May 2014 (UTC)  Blocked sock. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  13:50, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have struck your !vote since you can only !vote once in each AfD, and this was the third time for you. So please stop! Thomas.W talk 07:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have been a substantial contributor to this article as I recognized Ambode as an important factor in the public life of Lagos State with 9 Mio inhabitants. Kraxler] has raised an important aspect in referring to the [[WP:POLITICIAN which includes "members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature". Ambode has been part of local governments in many different positions, last being that of Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Finance. Further more, I believe he "received significant press coverage" as demanded by the WP:POLITICIAN. You can check that yourselves by searching for him on google. He is the subject of countless articles in the last few months. Villageboyban (talk) 11:40, 4 May 2014 (UTC) — Villageboyban (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  Blocked sock. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  13:49, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Then provide one or more reliable sources that unequivocally state that the post of "Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Finance" is an elected post, and that the holder of that post is a member of the legislature. Because current information points to it being a post held by civil servants. Meaning that WP:POLITICIAN does not apply. And remember that the burden of proof is on you. Thomas.W talk 13:30, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep and do not salt. Ambode is a well known former colleague of mine and is a man of great integrity. I plead with you to not take down this page as this is a great way with which we can reach out to many Lagosians on the internet and help them in choosing a really credible leader unlike times past. I assure you, people in Lagos do not object to him being on Wikipedia. He has also been highly accredited by Bola Tinubu who is here on Wikipedia and is a Nigerian statesman. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerry McGuillit (talk • contribs) 17:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)  — Jerry McGuillit (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  (The !vote on this AfD was the user's first and so far only edit on WP.)   Blocked sock. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  13:48, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles are not a venue for reaching out to people. You have to show that this person is notable per this website's internal criteria for inclusion and not because the page can be helpful to people in Lagos.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 03:12, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * He is notable here. You can call anybody you know in Lagos for a second opinion. In addition, we would not have put up the wikipedia page if we hadn't already done our due diligence to ensure the facts were right. Even Ambode himself approved the wikipedia page before our team put it up LIVE on Wikipedia, and before Cwobeel started witch-hunting us. Taking down this article will also result in a huge loss of capital we've used to promote this page on both print and new media here in Lagos. Please consider the above. Thank you all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerry McGuillit (talk • contribs) 11:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)   Blocked sock. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  13:50, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * None of which is a valid reason for keeping an article about a non-notable subject. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a social networking site or a vehicle for advertising and promotion. Thomas.W talk 11:50, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * We aren't here to protect your advertising investment, and I find it rather grating that your only concern is such. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  12:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Again, I have no agenda here; I came across this article at the BLP Noticeboard. No one is "witch-hunting" you or your friend. Cwobeel (talk) 14:22, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin - Please consider salting, considering the amount of determination and socking that has taken place. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  13:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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