Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akis Katsoupakis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  07:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Akis Katsoupakis

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Tagged CSD for two days with no decision being made. I'm bringing it to AfD to see if a consensus can be reached. (I can't make my mind up - over to you...) Peridon (talk) 17:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

The info given in the article do not seem to be 100% "officially" correct or verifiable. For example it says: Suspect world - Theodosia Tsatsou - Whole album arrangement - 1999 - Minos EMI (that is: album - artist - contribution by Katsoupakis - year - label). Nevertheless googling Ύποπτος Κόσμος θεοδοσία τσάτσου Κατσουπάκης gives zero (0) results for pages with info on both Theodosia Tsatsou (which is a notable singer) and Katsoupakis. In other words the album does not have the name Katsoupakis on the front, and the record label page for this album doesn't have info about Katsoupakis' job in the album production etc. In any case a summary of the albums in which Katsoupakis did the arrangement and other stuff can be found in discogs entry for the artist and, according to discogs is as follows (in parenthesis Katsoupakis' job in the album): I am not familiar with the en:wiki rules very much so don't know what this data means about the artist's notability or not notability, if it is a clear cut case or borderline case, i have no idea. Also note that i found no publications or articles of any kind on the web about him except single word refs of the type "piano:Akis Katsoupakis". For the greek wiki which i usually edit this is speedy del because of conflict of interest and because no articles are found on newspapers and magazines about him, only about the albums he participated.--Vanakaris (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ζήλιον - Ζήλιον (Piano, Mixed By, Synthesizer [Synth], Programmed By, Orchestrated By, Executive Producer - Άκης-cats-Κατσουπάκης)
 * Ανδριάνα Μπάμπαλη - Ο Τζον Τζον Ζει (Producer - Άκης Κατσουπάκης)
 * Μάσκες - Κάθε Δεύτερο Λεπτό (Synthesizer, Programmed By, Orchestrated By, Executive Producer - Άκης-cats-Κατσουπάκης)
 * Μάσκες - Σχέδιο Με Βροχή (Mixed and Orchestrated By - Άκης Κατσουπάκης)
 * Μάσκες - Γέφυρες Στις Ταράτσες (Orchestrated By - Άκης Κατσουπάκης)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:40, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:40, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Unverifiable content can be deleted. However, there is more than enough verifiable content to meet WP:GNG and as a professional musician.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 11:41, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * About what Vanakaris is mentioning above : anyone who can read Greek can read this (Sokratis Malamas talking about Akis Katsoupakis - taken from "Metro" Magazine) and this (Akis Katsoupakis arranging at the Megaron), just to name a few. Reference links list keeps growing. Please consider this deletion proposal as a personal attack.Akicats (talk) 21:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You are entitled to your opinion. I brought the article here with a neutral nomination to get a problem sorted - one way or the other. "anyone who can read Greek can read..." - I would point out that while references in other languages are not proscribed here, this is the English language Wikipedia and that these references are all Greek to most of us.Sorry, couldn't resist... If the author is more familiar with the Greek Wikipedia, I would also point out that the other language Wikipedias I've edited on or been to for some reason seem rather less bothered about referencing than we are here. I couldn't say about the Greek one. I would advise the author to read WP:COI and WP:OWN. It is the article that is under discussion, not the author. Unless, that is, they are one and the same as the username suggests. Autobiography is not recommended - unless one is rather thick-skinned. Peridon (talk) 18:56, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * I'd suggest trying to find some English refs. If not, move to the Greek wikipedia. Buggie111 (talk) 01:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Back to the point, sadly Greek magazines and newspapers simply ignore Arrangers , Producers and Musicians, they only deal with Singers and Folk Composers (usually after death). Akis Katsoupakis has way too many references for his job, compared to others. About what Vanakaris mentions at the top of this discussion about Suspect World - Theodosia Tsatsou, it's a false accusation ! You can check here the back cover of the cd for credits (Akis Katsoupakis : Arranger, Executive Producer , Co-Mix) .Discogs releases are not yet completed, they will be at some time , don't worry. It seems to me that Vanakaris has plenty of time to spend on evidence that prove that Akis Katsoupakis is not a notable artist.Akicats (talk) 18:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:52, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to note that Mr Katsoupakis (and i think it is not inappropriate to admit that i am referring to both the user and the subject of the article - he is not obliged to be knowledgeable of all wikipedia rules after all, and maybe there is some confusion of wikipedia with other sites like myspace etc) he may be a young and promising artist but does not seem to be notable enough for encyclopedia article yet, at least according to the Greek wiki rules. It was deleted from the Greek wiki because there are not any articles in newspapers etc about Katsoupakis himself, only single word refs of the type: Sokratis Malamas in his interview for "Metro" Magazine said in one instance "also Katsoupakis did a great job". I am afraid i have no time to help editing the article. Assuming that the English wiki rules are more flexible (i dont really know) and the article is keep, shouldnt someone edit it in order for the discography section to be clearly indicating that it is not solo albums by Katsoupakis but various albums he participated/arranged/produced?--Vanakaris (talk) 20:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * dear mr. Vanakaris, being an internet user from the times of the "mac classic", i can tell the difference between social networks and Wikipedia ! I'm not so young as you're implying.
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete In the list of citations I don't see beyond passing mentions any substantial coverage we require to write a biography. A list of credits as arranger and producer is nice and may testify for a successful professional career but does not amount to notability. If someone or some group is 'ignored' in press or another wikipedia we can't remedy that here nor should we.--Tikiwont (talk) 08:22, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
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