Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Araqeeb


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Al-Araqeeb

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Does not mean WP:GNG and notability standards. I'd say smells a lot like recentism. Wikifan12345 (talk) 10:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, all villages are notable. What happened to this village and how it was destroyed makes it extra notable. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment* For starters, the village is Kafr al-Arakib, not simply Al-Araqeeb. Second, there are thousand of similar structures all throughout the Negav that are built on state-owned land. Claims that the "village" existed prior to the founding of Israel is unsubstantiated. Dozens of structures are demolished every year and this is just another example - hardly deserving of an article. There is simply not enough to justify an article - perhaps a move to Israeli Arabs or Negav would be more appropriate. Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:03, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep HupHollandHup (talk) 01:12, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep As stated above, verifiable settlements are considered notable, and this one was part of a notable incident and has plenty of coverage too. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 01:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment It wasn't notable until it was demolished. And the owners did not describe it as a settlement. Wikifan12345 (talk) 02:03, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - As a village, it was notable before it was demolished and even more so as a historical village. I've never seen a population center, currently existing or not, get deleted.--Oakshade (talk) 02:50, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * comment - There are more than 10,000 unrecognized bediun camps throughout the Negav, most much larger than this one. Shall I get on making articles for each one? Wikifan12345 (talk) 02:52, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The sources give population figures of 200–300 for this village. If there more than 10,000 such villages, most much larger than this one, then they have a total population of "more than much more" than 2–3 million. Are you seriously making such a claim? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:53, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Plenty of media coverage, substantially more than many other villages considered notable. Follow the sources. &mdash; goethean &#2384; 03:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep obviously per multiple sources, note also this is the second time the village has been destroyed. Misarxist (talk) 10:31, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, villages are notable if verifiable. This one is verifiable and so it is notable.  nableezy  - 21:08, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Despite some POV concerns it is notable as a populated place and along with significant coverage.Cptnono (talk) 00:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, obviously meets notability guidelines due to extensive coverage in the Israeli and international press. And it is simply false that there are "10,000" locations like this.  There are at most around a hundred of this size.  Zerotalk 14:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge. There is no precedent for such an article. Unrecognized Bedouin villages in Israel should be created and this material merged into that, as with Democracy Village. There was not "extensive" coverage about this! The flotilla had "extensive" coverage. The "Democracy Village" opposite the British Parliament is far, far more notable. There were pages devoted to it in the Evening Standard, and it's a redirect. Al-Araqeeb is just another everyday news item. Governments all over the world are dismantling villages against their inhabitants wishes and those villages do not warrant their own page. As for the argument that wiki is a gazetteer, it is common practice that small villages are actually redirected to more encompassing regional pages, e.g: Amnaş and Syrian towns and villages depopulated in the Arab-Israeli conflict. We would not consider making creating Chanonry travellers' camp just because bulldozers moved in to demolish the site. Travellers' camp site is cleared Chesdovi (talk) 11:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you show me Democracy Village's wheat fields and olive groves? Neither side of the related ownership dispute deny that this farming village existed since 1999. Comparing it to a camp of protesters that existed for all of three months in the shadow of Big Ben seems rather blithe. -- Kendrick7talk 18:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "Wheat fields and olive groves?!" Parliament Sq. is not just any odd patch of open space. It is the most prominent in the country. A court case that cost tens of tousangs of pounds at the cost of the taxpayer and much debate within the Houses of Parliament. Was in the news for 3 months. Al-Araqeeb - a village that has existed for 10 years out of a total of 10,000 years of human habitiaion. Was in the news for one day. Yup. That really qualifies it. What about the 300 odd villages on the depopulated Syrian towns and villages page. Let's make a page for each of those. Chesdovi (talk) 09:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Al-Araqueeb was mentioned in a book published in 2005. And I still haven't gone back and looked up all the alternate spellings which have come to light since this AfD, submitted all of 8 hours after this article was created, began. The difference to the Syrian villages in the Golan Heights is that they were all abandoned quickly in the light of two monolithic events. I would fully support a study toward splitting the existing article in twain, but you are still comparing apples to oranges. Per WP:PAPER, here we have the sourcing at hand, and, as good Wikipedians, we write the article as we can. -- Kendrick7talk 04:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case I will proceed to create Chanonry travellers' camp. Chesdovi (talk) 09:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of getting you started. -- Kendrick7talk 18:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep as a real place, although we should insist on more reliable sources and a less slanted article than what currently exists. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC).
 * What would be the reliable sources you "insist" on? It sure is a real place, but does that fact warrant its own page? As I mentioned above, usually small villages are merged into more encopassing pages. Surely you would agree this be merged to a more suitable page? Chesdovi (talk) 12:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, obviously notable, and the demolition is multi-sourced. - TwoHorned User_talk:TwoHorned 18:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The demolition of Chanonry travellers' camp is also sourced? Chesdovi (talk) 09:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The houses demolished in Al-Araqueeb were not camping trailers. - TwoHorned User_talk:TwoHorned 21:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * CommentOn the Israeli WP, Israeli outposts (mostly small isolated Jewish populated places) are all merged into one article, while here in English WP, separate articles are tolerated for each point that can be sourced. While the Israeli outposts only number in the few dozen at most, in contrast, the Bedouin ones exist exponentially. --Shuki (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into Unrecognized Bedouin villages in Israel. Most of the material applies to dozens of unrecognized Bedouin settlements.  It should be grouped into a single article that can be monitored for the tendency this area has to generate POV pushing and unreliable information.AMuseo (talk) 19:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact, almost every word on this page is specific to this particular location. Zerotalk 03:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.