Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Quwa Al-Jawiya–Al-Shorta SC rivalry


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  12:28, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Al-Quwa Al-Jawiya–Al-Shorta SC rivalry

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The only source given to justify the existence of this article is an unreliable Wordpress blog. All I keep running into when trying to find sources for this rivalry are Wikipedia mirrors. There probably is some rivalry between these two teams but I don't believe that an article can be justified (see WP:NRIVALRY). At the moment, this article is nothing more than just a collection of statistics and match results (see WP:NOTSTATS). Spiderone 10:00, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


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 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 11:47, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - This is arguably the biggest rivalry in the whole of Iraq. I can find hundreds and hundreds of Arabic sources that show this. However, seeing as Iraqi football is not covered much in other countries, you can find very few English language sources for this. Does that mean this article has to be deleted, even though I can find many Arabic/Iraqi sources which shows this is a huge rivalry? (i.e. do my sources have to be in English language or another language). Thanks. Hashim-afc (talk) 15:52, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * They can be in Arabic but they must be reliable; all I can find are unreliable sources such as blogs and Youtube videos which are not acceptable. Spiderone  16:28, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Here are some sources:
 * http://almalwiyanews.com/2015/12/14/%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A-%D8%A8%D8%BA%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%88-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%B7%D8%A9-%D8%B6%D9%85%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AA/
 * Translation: "The eyes of all Iraqi football fans on Monday afternoon will be fixed on Al-Sinaa Stadium which will host the match between Al-Shorta and rivals Al-Quwa Al-Jawiya in the Baghdad Derby. The green of Al-Shorta against the blue of Al-Jawiya is one of the big games that the Iraqi public awaits eagerly each season as both clubs have great history in terms of achievements in the league and the two teams' players form the backbone of the Iraqi national team."
 * http://www.iraqi-teams.net/2015/12/13/%D9%87%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%82%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D9%8A%D8%BA%D9%8A%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B1/
 * Translation: "Al-Jawiya's top scorer, Hammadi Ahmed, will be missing for the Baghdad Derby with Al-Shorta. The match known as Baghdad El Clasico will be difficult for both teams as both teams are very strong technically."
 * https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OWqXjcoONVgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=baghdad+football+club&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtkquj4YDQAhVhOMAKHU9WC0UQ6AEIHjAA#v=snippet&q=shurta&f=false (this one isn't in Arabic)
 * Translation: "Hassanin Mubarak urged me to travel the length and breadth of Iraq, including Baghdad where there are the four derby clubs of Iraq (Al-Shorta, Al-Quwa Al-Jawiya, Al-Talaba, Al-Zawraa), to see for myself how football was popular everywhere."
 * Translation: "Given that the four derby teams of Baghdad (Al-Shorta, Al-Quwa Al-Jawiya, Al-Talaba, Al-Zawraa) are also the strongest four teams in the country, they were put in separate groups."
 * By the way, the 'unreliable Wordpress blog' you mentioned earlier was written by Hassanin Mubarak, one of the most well-known and knowledgeable Iraqi football journalists in the country, so it's not unreliable. Furthermore, in Iraq, all matches between the 4 derby teams are played at Al-Shaab Stadium (the Iraqi equivalent of Wembley Stadium) instead of being played at the club's respective home grounds, which is further proof that these articles are about the biggest rivalries in the country. Hashim-afc (talk) 22:56, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:NRIVALRY, no evidence of GNG. Simply because two teams play each other regularly does not create a de facto rivalry. Even if there is a rivalry, it has to be demonstrated that this has received significant, reliable coverage as a notion in itself, not simply the synthesis of a series of match reports. There may be sufficient non-english sources to satisfy GNG, but I don't see it in what has been quoted above. Happy to change my vote if sufficient sourced prose discussing the rivalry as a notion can be added to the article. Fenix down (talk) 09:42, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


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