Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AlHajjar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Should reliable sources at some point become available, try using WP:Articles for creation so that others can evaluate the sources before trying to make it go live. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

AlHajjar

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Declined PROD. PROD nomination was the following:
 * No assertion of this family's notability. Existing sources are unreliable or primary documents, not independent sources.

Previously declined speedy was contested with the following:
 * it depicts the lineage of an important and well-known family and references have now been included. It is also a growing article with more references forthcoming

Current references continue to be unreliable-- they are two forums and and one religious website (which I have concluded based on google translate). It's not clear to me how to begin searching for sources about this family name, because the title of the article (AlHajjar) and the lead (Hajjar AlOmari) call it different things, and the name is not given in the native language. In any case, there are no reliable sources supporting the notability of this family. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 05:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * "more references are now included some are direct and some are in English. It is still growing article with more references forthcoming" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moh32 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)  — Moh32 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Saudi Arabia-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete No evidence of notability. Wikipedia is not the place for people to post their family histories. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:49, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with JamesBWatson. There is no place for this page. Vincelord (talk) 16:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep In the Middle East family history and lineage is very important. This particular family has a history of over 500 years and the article describes two periods (Ottoman and Saudi) with political, religious, and social perspectives. It also provides a starting point for other notable members of this family to document even more historical, political, religious, and social relevance. It provides important links to these past eras and has insight for the general public into the inter-workings and relations between families and tribes and how they relate to the history and evolution of the society. The references are relevant to persons of this region as the linking of family and society are of great importance. These references, although mostly in the native Arabic language, do provide support for the notability of this issue for all readers. Over time, this particular article will have more details and references and connections to other articles, other articles will also link back to this article for historical support, which will increase its relevance. This building of references and linking of data is what Wikipedia is all about. I believe the article should be accepted. Moh32 (talk) 16:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC) — Moh32 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Philosopher Let us reason together. 22:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * 'Keep’ I am American and live in Saudi Arabia. I can understand why American reviewers may not appreciate this article.  But lineage and family/tribal history is a matter of great importance in the Middle East.  So much so that people’s daily lives are affected by who their ancestors were.  This article traces lineage back to a very important figure in Islamic history.  It also illustrates the family’s experience during very notable eras in history.  The family itself was and is of great influence in the region and has made notable contributions to what is now known as Saudi Arabia.  This is an important piece of history for this region that should have it’s storage place on Wiki.Natural mom (talk) 20:57, 30 November 2011 (UTC) — Natural mom (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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