Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Maida 51 case (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to November 2016 Jakarta protests. Any content worth merging is still available from the history. Randykitty (talk) 12:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Al Maida 51 case
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Unneutral POV by creator which is still original from him. Redundant since it is related to November 2016 Jakarta protests. Flix11 (talk) 07:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This user is not open minded for the second time since he using the same reason for AfD report as the previous one which rejected. Thus, should the report be proceeded with weak arguments of "dislike opinion of POV" that superseded by the limitation of official rules of Wikipedia concerning article deletion policy? Qzxv5 (talk) 10:08, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:55, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:07, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:07, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * To User:Flix11, Do not file an improper report here When you complained about NPOV of an article, Wikipedia has NPOV Noticeboard for appropriate place for NPOV discussion followed with adequate discourse on the article's talk page. So your report on Articles for deletion is not suitable here. The content of my edits rely on POV of properly reliable sources, not POV of mine:




 * Also read Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ and This discussion carefully and rethinking your decision when complaining here. Qzxv5 (talk) 14:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Aside from strong (N)POV concerns, the topic of this article is redundant to November 2016 Jakarta protests.--Darwinek (talk) 00:29, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete - Clear violation of WP:POVFORK and a blatant attempt to evade the neutrality policy. All of the same information is present in November 2016 Jakarta protests, where the topic is covered without the clear personal biases of this article's creator. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 10:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - it needs (a lot of) cleaning up but it is not a the same as November 2016 Jakarta protests. Al Maida 51 case also covers the blasphemy trial in 2017 while N2Jp stops with the events of Dec 2016. The blasphemy trial does not fit under the heading of Nov 2016 protest any more than Trump's presidency fits under covfefe. I'm also uncomfortable with the way Flix is trying to advance his case through SPI. Cabayi (talk) 14:35, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ...which now extends to haranguing the Checkusers Bbb23, & ST47. Cabayi (talk) 14:43, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: unrelated, I did not even know if that light request is considered harassing. What you should know with cool head that this user is already made several completely bias pro-Muhammad Rizieq Shihab view such as in Indonesia–Saudi Arabia relations (1, 2). Rizieq's foul-mouth might not known outside Indonesia but he is known here in Indonesia to have called for non-Muslim persecutions. Flix11 (talk) 16:29, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Response I think you should keep your words civil and do not attack other user personally by labeling or you must be banned from Wikipedia. Besides, I included the Indonesia–Saudi Arabia relations because of my content edit depended by various Indonesian news portals and other reliable sources and not my personal bias, actually. Think objectively, not subjectively nor attacking personal. Qzxv5 (talk) 10:08, 18 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to November 2016 Jakarta protests. Extensive duplication of content, and this one is poorly written, so be careful when copying text. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  22:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No merge nor redirect I don't think it is 'Extensive duplication of content' or redundancy because I also included various events or cases related to it, such as December_2016_Jakarta_protests, Ahmad Dhani case, response from Ma'ruf Amin and Interior Minister, result of court, etc. that are not covered in November 2016 Jakarta protests. Moreover, November 2016 Jakarta protests is only about one of several protests while Al-Maida 51 case is separate event focused on the long criminal case process with aftermath and the a lot of events surrounding it. Qzxv5 (talk) 10:08, 18 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to November 2016 Jakarta protests, per the above. If the proposed target article doesn't cover this content, it will after the merge. BD2412  T 04:13, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment, if merged then a new title will be needed. November 2016 Jakarta protests does not adequately encompass all the events from the Sept 2016 speech through to the end of the trial in May 2017. Cabayi (talk) 12:57, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Articles on events can have content on their aftermath or extended effects without needing a title that specifies that. BD2412  T 04:50, 21 December 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.