Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Roach


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 10:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Al Roach

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Non notable athlete - fails WP:ATHLETE as a professional baseball player who has never played above independent leagues. Possibly notable as an author, but also appears to fail WP:AUTHOR. Majorclanger (talk) 15:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  —Majorclanger (talk) 15:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - as per nom. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 15:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  —  Lady  of  Shalott  17:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions.  —  Lady  of  Shalott  17:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - he might be notable as a writer about reptiles. I have not been able to substantiate that notability however. If someone can establish notability on these grounds, then keep; if not, delete. (I don't think his athletic record is enough to warrant an entry.) Lady  of  Shalott  17:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I put this up as a PROD, it received a PROD2, author removed. Subject is non notable. Paste Let’s have a chat. 19:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete fails notability as per WP:ATHLETE & WP:AUTHOR.  -shirulashem (talk) 17:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep It I think leave it - well known in pet industry and in baseball, looked up some stuff on him online. Mr.knowitall2020 —Preceding undated comment added 20:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC).
 * Comment If that is the case, and they are reliable then may I suggest that you create citations? When I looked up about him, I could find a lot of hits on Google, but not from reliable sites. The references currently used are unsuitable for notability - the first one is a news article from a college baseball team's official website - so, a minor player, not MLB - and the other two are from his own books! If you feel that you can find reliable sites which can be added as citations, please do. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 08:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * comment I can find some more citations that will give him notability and I will add them. thanks Mr.knowitall2020 —Preceding undated comment added 01:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Keep It I edited the article, but don't think I did it right because the same thing appears twice. Can you delete the top article and use the second one I posted as it has more references for notability. thanks and let me know if this is okay Mr.knowitall2020 —Preceding undated comment added 02:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Comment - I think MrKnowitall may be confused about the afd process. He says "delete", but then the rest of his words seem to be for keeping the article. Is that correct? Lady  of  Shalott  04:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I dont recall ever saying delete, Perhaps it was someone else that may have thought that.I think it should stay up thanks. Mr.knowitall2020 —Preceding undated comment added 14:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Each of your comments on this page begin with the word, "Delete", in bold letters. That is used in AfD discussions to say you think the article should be deleted. Since you are actually arguing the opposite, I suggest you go back and strike through the word delete in each of your comments. Lady  of  Shalott  15:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment whoops...now I saw what you were saying. Thought that was standard. I believe what was edited provides more notability, however the first one showing needs to be taken off and the one at the bottom under references needs to be posted on the top. Somehow the text appeared twice and the better one is at the bottom Mr.knowitall2020
 * Comment for Mr.knowitall2020 Please note that only one of your keep votes will be noted! You might want to change the other 4 to comment instead of keep it! It would be impolite for others to amend them, as they are your contribution to this discussion. Regards, --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 08:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good There's definitely a few good references now to give him notab. Mr.knowitall2020
 * Note that the above comment was actually entered by Mr.Knowitall2020 - at the time of this comment, user Big Dog175 has zero edits. Majorclanger (talk) 14:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment One of the citations shows that he was not major league (and not notable). Another shows he got 2 grand slams in a college game - again not particularly notable, as others who have gone on to become major league players have done this. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 15:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

any ideas on how to edit the actual article? thanks Mr.knowitall2020
 * Comment That is true, there are a few players in the MLB who have done that as well. I just think Al is well known and some bio backround info should be available to people who might be interested about him. I am having trouble editing the article without having all the info repeat twice. When I click edit, all I see is == References ==
 * This is off-subject for the afd. I have answered the question at User talk:Mr.Knowitall2020. Lady  of  Shalott  04:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
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