Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Sahab Towers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Dubai Marina. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Al Sahab Towers

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Created as WP:ADMASK and copyvio by SPA. Later re-written to contain substantially same content but still sole-sourced to developer's website. No evidence of notability for this real-estate development in article or WP:BEFORE. Searches disclose only independent coverage as consisting of apartment/AirBnB-type listings and passing mentions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:36, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:36, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 19:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst (talk) 03:28, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes WP:NBUILD WP:NEXIST Skyscrapers with 44 floors are notable. The article could use development not deletion WP:NOTCLEANUP Lightburst (talk) 19:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Nothing in our guidelines states that there is an automatic notability for buildings of whatever height. The reference to both NBUILD and NEXIST here is inapposite.  NBUILD states: Buildings, including... commercial developments, may be notable...but they require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability. There is no evidence of such significant coverage. Likewise, NEXIST refers to the existence of sources, not the existence of structures or other physical objects and there are no sources here. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:37, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I have begun adding references and doing clean up. To explain my !vote: NBUILD is met per NEXIST. Meaning the sources are available, and criteria two of NBUILD is met. It is not necessary for the sources to be in the article. It is the job of the nominator to do a thorough WP:BEFORE ...I am now doing that job, and adding to the article. Lightburst (talk) 00:07, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge > Dubai Marina; aleady covered in that article. (See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marina Quays) Djflem (talk) 10:10, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The article has improved since AfD. There is no reason to merge or redirect an article which is sourced and well done. Wm335td (talk) 19:51, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge The few sentences of actual content easily fit at Dubai_Marina. We do not need a separate article for a generic tall apartment building just to copy-paste that it has meeting rooms, parking, and a gym. "Sourced and well done" do not preclude the main article being sourced and well done as well; redundancy and lack of notability independent of the development it's in (all a single complex by Emaar) is absolutely a reason to merge. Reywas92Talk 01:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge (Came here from Article Rescue Squadron) - Current sourcing consists mainly of trivial mentions or promotional material from entities connected to the developer. Can easily be covered at Dubai Marina after trimming trivial facts such as the list of amenities. –dlthewave ☎ 03:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Of the five current sources, the following three do not contribute to notability in my opinion:
 * - Emporis attempts to catalog every building and does not rise above the level of WP:ROUTINE coverage.
 * - The National provides background on the Dubai Marina development but does not mention Al Sahab.
 * - Dubai Marina is self-published by the developer and does not meet the independent coverage requirement. –dlthewave ☎ 03:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


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