Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Siebert


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The result was Keep per additional sourcing by User:Nsk92. The article still contains a lot of peacock language (for example, is regarded as a pioneer - regarded by who?), probably has COI issues, and definitely needs additional cleanup plus inline sources for notability assertions to read more encyclopedically and less resume-like. Marking with a clean up tag as none of these issues alone are reasons for deletion of a notable subject. Keeper  |   76   |   Disclaimer  17:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Al Siebert

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A resume-like piece that makes many claims towards notability; but sources with substantial coverage about this person seem to be missing. The article has survived a speedy G11 before, I'm putting it up for wider discussion here. Given that the article was edited mainly by an WP:SPA, I actually suspect an autobiography. B. Wolterding (talk) 15:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academ mentionics and educators-related deletion discussions.   —David Eppstein (talk) 15:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete No sources seem to exist to meet WP:N or WP:BIO requirements. --Jayron32. talk . contribs  18:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep I think that this guy may in fact qualify as a notable media personality. The article is not well-written in that it does not cite sources. However, I did a quick google news (all dates) search for his name and got about 80 hits, most of which do refer to him. The great majority of them refer to newspaper cites that require paid subscription, but here are a few links that are free: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel , Christian science Monitor , CNN , Seattle Times , The Joplin Globe , Indian Country Today . Nsk92 (talk) 19:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete The sources do not appear to assert sufficient notability. --Stormbay (talk) 21:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not a definitive requirement for the sources to assert notability. A multitude of reliable sources that mention the subject in a nontrivial way may be used to establish notability in a particular area. WP:BIO says: " If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be needed to prove notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability". This seems to apply here. As examples of trivial sources WP:BIO mentions things like directory listings, etc. In this case we are talking about newspaper/newsmedia interviews that explicitly quote the opinions of Siebert on various matters related to workplace stress etc. There appears to be at least 40 such articles. Doesn't that establish his notability as a media pundit on workspace stress related matters? Nsk92 (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Your point about assertion of notability is correct but I feel there still needs to be some strength to the numerous references. --Stormbay (talk) 18:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Not an academic; judging as an author ,some of his books are in over 500 us libraries. I think he qualifies. DGG (talk) 23:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


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