Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alabama–Penn State football rivalry


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The result was   keep. Snow keep. Deletion concerns have been addressed. (non-admin closure) Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)  03:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Alabama–Penn State football rivalry

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Not a notable rivalry, the programs have only played 15 games in a span of roughly 50 years.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  01:39, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Well thats what it is. Only the Penn State fans and Alabama fans know its a rivalry. Its a rivalry of Class. Its a rivalry of Respect. Bear Bryant and Joepa. Those 2 symbolize so much for each school. Before what has happened recently to joepa its been a clean rivalry. Not like a low down dirty in the trenches rivalry like LSU and Auburn for Alabama. None the less a rivalry for both Alabama and Penn State. -Commandoj251 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.160.153.121 (talk) 02:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. This might be a rivalry of class, it might be a rivalry of respect, but it's also a rivalry of not playing each other very often. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:54, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this isn't the time to bring anything related to Penn State football for an AfD. That's just me. Raymie (t • c) 04:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Certainly notable teams. Certainly notable bowl games played between the two teams. Yet, not a notable college football rivalry.  Suitable for a sports almanac, yes.  Encyclopedia, no.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:35, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep SOLD -- you had me at "notability is not temporary"--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:37, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep While the rivalry was allowed to lay fallow after Bear Bryant retired and Penn State's Big Ten commitments limited non-conference games, notability is not temporary. While active, the rivalry was both intense and much discussed in the national sports media. Through Google Books, I've found chapter 38 of Greatest Moments in Penn State Football History is dedicated to the 1985 Alabama game, and in his part of Game of my Life Joey Jones describes the 1981 game thusly: "It was a great rivalry, and playing there felt special. It had a different feel than playing in a SEC game. It wasn't a heated rivalry like you see in the SEC sometimes; there was respect." In Crimson Nation, Eli Gold describes it as a "very respectful, healthy rivalry" in his description of the 1978 matchup. There's more, of course, but this should be sufficient. - Dravecky (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Addendum: Here are a couple of Associated Press reports, one from 1986 and the other from 2010. - Dravecky (talk) 23:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dravecky's points. Altairisfar (talk) 21:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dravecky et al. Two articles from reliable sources, with more than passing content, over a 14-year time span, indicates serious notability. Bearian (talk) 21:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep per Dravecky et al. Two articles from reliable sources, with more than passing content, over a 14-year time span, indicates serious notability. Bearian (talk) 21:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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