Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alabama–Penn State football rivalry (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 00:55, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Alabama–Penn State football rivalry
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This is my fist time nominating an article for deletion, so I apologize for any format errors. This is and was not a "rivalry" in the very sense of the defined term. At best, this is and was a historically significant series. At any rate, I fail to see how a page is warranted between these two teams. Alabama fans/administration would not put Penn State alongside established rivals such as Auburn, LSU or even Tennessee. Likewise, Penn State fans/administration wouldn't put Alabama alongside Ohio State, Michigan State or Pittsburgh. These schools aren't even located in the same geographical area of the United States. Only in rare cases (for example Notre Dame-USC) do true rivalries exist between teams not geographically close to each other. But Bama and PSU don't play every year like ND and USC. You might find, using a simple Google search, a few articles talking about the historical nature of this contest, but there isn't real animosity between these teams, fan bases or administration or any other factors that define a true rivalry. CalebHughes (talk) 18:09, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2018 July 31.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 21:06, 31 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 21:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Nom (new editor) does not reference WP:GNG while making delete argument. Article contains 2 AP and 1 ESPN citations which directly state a rivalry. GNG demands "significant coverage" which is already met by existing citations in my view. Prior AfD appears unanimous keep. UW Dawgs (talk) 22:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep This nomination is written entirely in the present tense. As noted in a similar AfD, Wikipedia doesn't exist to document things in the present moment, and the title doesn't imply currency.  Acroterion   (talk)   23:48, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per UW Dawgs and Acroterion. Lepricavark (talk) 01:25, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm undecided on this one--I'm not sure that the stretch in the 1980's and a few scattered games before and after brings it to the level of a rivalry, even looking at it from the viewpoint that notability cannot be lost or taken away. I think it warrants some more discussion as it may set a soft precedent.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per results at Articles for deletion/Alabama–Penn State football rivalry and no reason given to overturn the last AFD.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:38, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep May not be a rivalry on the level of, say, Alabama-Auburn, but is still an important series historically speaking. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 16:43, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Eddy has it right, I think. Personally, I don't this is a "rivalry" at all. There's no geographic tie, no regularity of play or scheduling, no fan base hatred, etc. But it is a historically significant series of games that is worthy of encyclopedic tracking.  Out of the 15 times they've met, 13 of those games have been marquee match-ups involving either contests between ranked teams or upsets of ranked teams, including 1974 (#3 vs #7), 1979 (#1 vs #2), 1981 (#6 vs #5), 1982 (#3 vs #4), 1983 (upset of #3 Alabama), and 1986 (#6 beat #2). Cbl62 (talk) 17:23, 5 August 2018 (UTC)


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