Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alabama Symphony Orchestra


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Michig (talk) 09:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Alabama Symphony Orchestra

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Non-notable orchestra. Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:56, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  ~Ruyaba~   {talk}  20:26, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions.  ~Ruyaba~   {talk}  20:26, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep The WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO both met; - The Alabama Symphony has been hailed by Alex Ross as "one of the country's [United States] most adventurous regional orchestras" . Other significant coverage in major third-party sources include this Washington Post review of a 1988 Kennedy Center concert in DC, this piece in the NYT, and certainly many others. Also, their discography allmusic, discogs include albums for Bridge Records and Harmonia Mundi. However, the article needs some serious cleaning up - I tagged it as such two weeks ago. Zingarese talk  ·  contribs  04:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The entry at AllMusic is for a single album, and that album is not reviewed. Discogs is not a reliable source. Vanity records abound there. Alex Ross makes passing mention of the orchestra. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * What does the album not being reviewed have to do with anything? And sorry, but to me Ross makes much more than a “passing mention” of the orchestra. Zingarese talk  ·  contribs  15:12, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * There are usually three steps to inclusion on AllMusic. The first is a database entry. The next is a rating. The final is a review. We usually only consider the latter (reviewed entries) as being reliable sources. Without a reliable sources (plural) the subject is not considered notable. And Ross discuses the orchestra in one paragraph at the end of the article. It is fewer than 200 words. Again, we look for "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" and I don't think 200 words is significant coverage which is why I called it "passing mention" so thanks for helping me quantify the issue. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep the history section is both unsourced and promotional; it may be a COPYVIO of some other source. I do see enough coverage.  The Washington Post, New York Times, and New Yorker references by Zingarese are sufficient. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 18:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment If this has citations added, I would vote keep. It has a lot of very good information (not promotional) but the lack of citations makes me hesitant to vote right now. Actaudio (talk) 05:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added inline citations for two ASO conductors. This is a notable and major symphony orchestra, and should not be deleted. A better way would be to have copyediting done, and I have added a tag for doing that.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 04:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - I will trim down the fluff to see if it passes. Bearian (talk) 20:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - I editied it somewhat, and it appears to be notable due to its awards, but it still needs a lot more work and citations. Bearian (talk) 21:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - Just noticed this article is plagiarized from their website. https://alabamasymphony.org/uploads/documents/ASOHistory_1819.pdf Actaudio (talk) 06:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Goodness. Thank you so much for pointing that out. I just removed the entire “history” section. Zingarese talk  ·  contribs  15:12, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


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