Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alafia Samuels


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The result was delete. TigerShark (talk) 20:17, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Alafia Samuels

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Having previously declined this as a draft I feel like it doesn't belong in mainspace as there is no visible pass of WP:NPROF. Now I usually try to be very accommodating to the fact that academics rarely receive coverage and am very flexible on what I believe is a pass as per their h-index, but this subject falls quite below that standard. I might be missing something here so an extra pair of eyes would be helpful. As it stands, I don't think this passes notability SNG requirements. nearlyevil 665  15:21, 5 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:42, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  nearlyevil  665  15:21, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Medicine.  nearlyevil  665  21:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Citations are not nearly high enough to meet NPROF in this high-citation field (diabetes). JoelleJay (talk) 00:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * To expand: These are the Scopus citation metrics for her 76 coauthors with 10+ papers:
 * Total citations: average: 9072, median: 2513, Samuels: 529.
 * Total papers: 139, 72, 37.
 * h-index: 31, 22, 15.
 * Top 5 papers: 1st: 1177, 399, 47. 2nd: 823, 208, 44. 3rd: 520, 154, 43. 4th: 397, 111, 38. 5th: 277, 91, 33. JoelleJay (talk) 07:32, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: They are only 3rd author on their most cited paper with 319 citations and their next paper has only 79 citations which makes their h-index weaker than it appears at first glance so I don't think that they would qualify under WP:NPROF. Gusfriend (talk) 04:09, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: There are other criteria which apply here, other than the citation metrics. She has received a regional award and chairs a global consortium, which show her impact and recognition of that impact outside of academia. MurielMary (talk) 10:34, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, it should be demonstrated that the award received or position chaired was “highly prestigious” or “highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association”, respectively. I'm not convinced either criteria was demonstrated and no regional award or chair position is notable by default. nearlyevil  665  12:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Dr. Samuels is a Lancet One Health Commissioner and received full-page coverage in The Lancet, which is commonly regarded as one of the world's top-3 medical publications. BigYellowDuckie (talk) 14:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I did see that, however it's not clear when she became affiliated with The Lancet (not just as a OHC); that coverage would not be independent if she was already affiliated with it. And anyway, GNG needs multiple sources of SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Lancet article was 2017 before any affiliation. Appointment as a Lancet OHC was in 2018
 * This submission is not only based on academic output, but on a composite professional profile, which includes being a leading NCD researcher and advocate in the Caribbean. Advising Ministers of Health of the Caribbean annually, designing and administering NCD process indicators frorm 20 countries annually since 2008, leading the evaluation of the POS declaration from the first ever meeting of Heads of State on NCDs.
 * Competitive regional awards from the Caribbean Public Health Agency
 * Chair of NCD Child - for global advocacy 96.43.179.185 (talk) 14:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, the Lancet article would be SIGCOV then, but again we need multiple sources for GNG. None of the affiliations or awards listed would contribute to NPROF even in aggregate, so GNG would be the route to notability (unless we can find many instances of her being quoted/discussed as an expert in multiple different independent publications (so, not from the same newspapers). JoelleJay (talk) 20:01, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment would being on the peer-review committee of a medical journal count? Oaktree b (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No. WP:NPROF requires them to be the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal. Gusfriend (talk) 06:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


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