Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alakkuu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 06:51, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Alakkuu

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Fails WP:GNG. The only source in the article that might help to establish notability is the Forbes piece, which I don't think meets WP:INDEPENDENT since it's an interview with the subject of the article. Outside the sources in the article, I was only able to find this from OnlineMarketplaces.com, which appears to plagiarize the Forbes article. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:29, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:45, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, a gsearch brings up the usual commercial/blog sites, appears to be WP:TOOSOON. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:58, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 06:35, 7 August 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: When commenting be pithy. Be concise. Cite policies or guidelines if possible. Confine your comments to what is germane to the discussion and be brief. Above all, be brief!
 * Thanks for relisting. A gsearch of "alakkuu" shows the subject as an author with a verified google knowledge panel. Also scraped an interview the subject conducted with Voice of America (Upfront Africa) https://www.facebook.com/UpfrontshowVOA/videos/this-young-poet-alakkuus-debut-poetry-collection-wet-grass-vanilla-is-a-thought-/245815489638053/ and a podcast on iheartradio (https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-nader-shehadeh-podcast-43042518/episode/alakkuu-44074616/) The subject was a 2019 Ted Talk speaker and he published his book last year; in which he is currently a top 5 best selling African author on amazon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yortay (talk • contribs) 13:05, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment TEDx, not TED. TEDx is not TED. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete The only source that counts toward notability is from Forbes, which is a brief bio and then all interview, so is worth little. He gave a TEDx talk but this is not notable in the way a TED Talk is notable. I searched but cannot find any other suitable sources, not even unsuitable sources apart from the very unsuitable onlinemarketplaces.com that copy and pasts the Forbes article. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST. WP:TOOSOON. All this article says is that he cofounded a company, wrote a book of poetry, and was interviewed by Forbes. I think that given all the inline external links, and references, to Amazon this article had, that I removed, it was likely written so as to draw potentially profitable traffic to him. This impression is further confirmed by the article's author making similar claims about the book and about Amazon here at this AfD. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for removing any links that may potentially result in profit towards the subject. Per WP:PRODBLP all biographies of living people have to have at least one reliable source - the Forbes article meets this requirement. I provided references of notability regarding a US tour the subject did with Boonaa Mohammed who is also deemed a notable Poet by this community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yortay (talk • contribs) 16:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:BLPPROD only applies to biographies that are nominated for deletion using the proposed deletion process; I have nominated this article for deletion using the Articles for deletion process, which is entirely different. I have specifically said that Alakkuu doesn't pass Wikipedia's general notability guideline, which requires coverage in multiple independent sources. As both Lopifalko and I have pointed out, the Forbes article isn't exactly independent coverage, since it mostly consists of an interview with Alakkuu. Regarding your point about Boonaa Mohammed, please refer to the essay Other stuff exists—your arguments should be focused on this specific article, not on its similarity to other articles. The factors that were considered in the AfD for Boona Mohammed (such as winning an award from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) don't apply to Alakkuu, so they shouldn't be considered in this deletion discussion. (Pinging and  in case they would like to add to my comments.) – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 23:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * agree with LB above. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Here's a podcast available on OwlTail that labels Alakkuu and Boonaa Mohammed as "two well respected, solidified poets of our generation" https://www.owltail.com/podcasts/qKFTx-Lets-Talk-About-It — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yortay (talk • contribs) 16:18, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks LB - Boonaa Mohammed has 1 of 3 references of notability; one of which is a TedX talk. Why isn't Alakkuu's TedX talk given the same weight in notability? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yortay (talk • contribs) 15:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Understandable that the award from CBC was considered, but Alakkuu is a best selling African poet, and I don't see why that isn't being considered. Also, an accepted article pertaining to [Boonaa Mohammed]] (https://web.archive.org/web/20110823202903/http://oromiatimes.multiply.com/journal/item/1237/Oromo_-_Canadian_Poet_Boonaa_Mohammed_Celebrates_African_Legacy) was very similar to the Forbes article of Alakkuu, but from a much less notable source (bio and answers from the subject himself). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yortay (talk • contribs) 19:04, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Noticed that references produced by the subject him/herself are accepted, e.g. Nayyirah Waheed wrote https://www.vibe.com/featured/afeni-shakur-mothers-day-poem and this was used as a viable reference on this subject's page. Due to this, I'd like to bring into the discussion an article written by the subject that was published on a notable African News platform - https://www.hiiraan.com/comments2-op-2010-jan-light_skin_vs_dark_skin.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yortay (talk • contribs) 19:21, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


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