Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan Chuntz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Source analysis is compelling Spartaz Humbug! 16:27, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Alan Chuntz

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A working stuntman, but meets neither WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:14, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:14, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:15, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:18, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Comment - Well, it is quite detailed and has a lot of references. Other similar stuntman like Max Faulkner and Terry Walsh have been on here for years and don't have sources. Likewise, there are a number of actors, sometimes minor (Laurence Harrington, Brian Grellis, Tom Kelly) who have pages and have been on here for a number of years with no sources. Maybe we should bring this lot in for questioning... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:D884:6401:E9CC:2EBD:8A38:E727 (talk) 10:24, 25 February 2021 (UTC) Keep - He is known to Whovians in the Doctor Who universe. Has also worked in many other franchises such as The Avengers so probably gives him cult status from these areas too. Not to mention, he played a well-known French singer (who he bore a strong resemblance to). The Krays connection is interesting but doesn't make him notable. The fact he also worked taught kung fu and martial arts, as well as being a taxi driver shows he had a varied career. Despite rarely being credited, surely it meets at least one criteria? WP:GNG? WP:ENT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:D884:6401:8C6B:8E92:2C17:9473 (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Yeah, WP:OSE, feel free to nominate those other articles.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Close call. Giving this one more go.
 * Keep. I agree with above that Doctor Who and The Avengers probably gives him cult status and GNG. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 13:14, 9 March 2021 (UTC) strike !vote of sock, see Sockpuppet investigations/FlyboyExeter.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. From my research he does seem to meet WP:GNG. His work on Doctor Who and Avengers are mentioned across multiple sources. No need here to delete. LeeArran64 (talk) 09:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - none of the above keep !votes are based on actual policy. Being on a cult program is not the same as the actor having cult status. Working actor/stuntman, just like thousands of others.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as it stands. Onel5969 is absolutely right that being a stuntman on a popular show is not the same as true "cult" status for which NACTOR-2 was designed to apply to. Current sources do not meet GNG, with the Auty source appearing to be self-published. As the IP and LeeArran indicate, we can certainly verify he exists and did the stuntwork, but this is not the same as demonstrating notability. My mind could be changed if it could be shown that the books mentioned in references, but not specifically footnoted anywhere, give significant coverage, but so far the only thing that's been demonstrated are stunt credits and self-published sources. MarginalCost (talk) 14:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Go  Phightins  !  20:21, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Having seen what recently happened with Peppi Borza, I have provided a list of possible references and sources which could be used to help save the page. They are also included on the talk page.


 * Doctor Who (Radio Times), (Inferno accident),, (interview part 1), (interview part 2)


 * The Avengers


 * Books


 * Moviedude (extra credits)


 * Aveleyman - The Actors Compendium (ditto)


 * The Jewish Chronicle (talks about him working on Sexton Blake, if anyone is a member, could they access the article?)


 * Shutterstock (features images of The Persuaders and The Saint)


 * Also credited as Allan Chuntz

Feel free to use them if you think they will help the article. There could be more references out there which people could add to help keep the page.2A00:23C6:D884:6401:7D9A:6C56:5A21:4CA9 (talk) 11:11, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * None of these sources are evidence of the significant, independent coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources to meet notability standards. In particular, none show evidence of significant coverage
 * There are a few here that might, theoretically, have significant coverage buried somewhere inaccessible to any of us, but nothing here provides any evidence of significant coverage. You are welcome to disagree with my assessments above, but please be specific about where you disagree.
 * Rather than a multitude of several poor sources, can you (or anyone else here !voting keep) point to the 2 or 3 best sources that you believe meet GNG? MarginalCost (talk) 23:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Rather than a multitude of several poor sources, can you (or anyone else here !voting keep) point to the 2 or 3 best sources that you believe meet GNG? MarginalCost (talk) 23:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Note: It'd be a shame if the page was deleted. Hopefully, it won't come to that. What lessons can we learn if articles are created for other stuntmen like Marc Boyle, Steve Emerson, Ken Barker, Nick Hobbs, Gareth Milne...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:D884:6401:B594:B0D3:2334:E07 (talk) 10:31, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * If you wish to create articles for others, make sure that they meet our criteria for notability, which in most cases will be met by meeting the general notability guidelines by including multiple reliable and independent sources that give significant coverage to the subject. See WP:42. MarginalCost (talk) 14:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Source: Maybe not much of a source but a brief interview on page 37 of TV Zone, June 1995 where he talks about working as a taxi driver and being one of the first people in Britain to practise karate.

Ah, heck! Why don't we let things stand. Other articles have been on here for donkey's with the same similar sources so this really isn't any different.2A00:23C6:D884:6401:9503:6B1B:AC14:FE8D (talk) 12:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Interviews do not meet the criteria for independence of a source. Even if they did, 3 sentences is not significant coverage MarginalCost (talk) 14:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


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