Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan Omer


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The result was   delete. Drmies (talk) 04:35, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Alan Omer

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This article was originally deleted as part of a bulk nomination at Articles for deletion/Ryan Shamrock (fighter) but I have been asked to review the deletion per the following sources: "# http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Sherdog-Prospect-Watch-Alan-Omer-17130 - Sherdog article, headlined as 'Sherdog Prospect Watch: Alan Omer.'

This article meets WP:GNG guidelines 'Significant coverage' as it address the subject directly in detail, 'Reliable' as it is a verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline, and 'Sources' as the number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources and multiple sources are generally expected. See below's link for evidence of this.


 * 1) http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/12/1989095/world-mma-featherweight-scouting-report-4-alan-omer - Bloody Elbows article, headlined as 'World MMA Featherweight Scouting Report: #4 - Alan Omer'

This article meets the same WP:GNG guidelines as the link above, however, they are both different as where the top link talks about Omer's background, this article breaks down Omer's whole fighting style, and ranks him amongst the other prospects in Europe.


 * 1) http://www.mmauniverse.com/events/reports/bamma-2-event-report-by-julian-radbourne - Article, goes into full detail about each fight result on the BAMMA 2 card.

This article meets WP:GNG guidelines 'Significant coverage', as it is shows all of the BAMMA 2 fight results, which has other sources covering the event as well, 'Reliable' as the website covering the results is independent from BAMMA and again it is widely available in other sites covering the event, 'Sources' as it is a secondary source (not produced by BAMMA or their parent company), 'Independent of the subject' as I already mentioned it wasn't produced by BAMMA or their parent company." Personally, I am not persuaded that the sources are sufficient for RS or GNG but this should be a community decision, which is why I am relisting this for individual discussion. Spartaz Humbug! 05:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Strong Keep Alan Omer is a former BAMMA World Featherweight Champion, the first I should point out. BAMMA is recognised as a notable organisation, and if he won a major title for them, he is notable also. He has articles about him in multiple languages, such as English, German and Polish, and by translating all of them, we can see that he is very popular in Europe, and he is on a 'Prospect Watch' by two major MMA articles. He has also competed at Shooto, a TOP TIER MMA promotion I should point out. BigzMMA (talk) 10:06, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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 * Weak Delete Fails WP:GNG as three sources (I found the same three sources in my Google search) does not count as the "significant coverage" required by WP:GNG, IMO. --TreyGeek (talk) 15:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete The fact that the articles mention him as a "prospect" show that he has not really reached notability. I don't see that he meets WP:GNG or WP:MMANOT. Astudent0 (talk) 19:27, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete, per TreyGeek. --Legis (talk - contribs) 06:47, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:MMANOT is not a valid enough reason to decide a page's notability anymore. For a start GNG trumps it, which means if a page meets GNG, you can't use MMANOT for a reason why to delete it, and if the page meets MMANOT but doesn't meet GNG, then it can be deleted. I'd would of thought you'd realise this by now Astudent0. There are multiple articles out on him in different languages, which according to GNG, it still counts, so you may want to look at these pages again before deciding. BigzMMA (talk) 14:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Also the fact that he has articles based entirely on him means he is relevant. And lets also not forget he has competed for a top tier promotion (well two if you want to count BAMMA like me). The current trend on Wikipedia seems to be that if a fighter competes at least once for a top tier promotion, he seems to be notable, which if you look at a fair few former UFC fighters, you can see that this is the case, so this is where my case comes from. BigzMMA (talk) 14:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you provide links to additional articles (other than what is cited above) to bolster your claim that the individual is notable? --TreyGeek (talk) 05:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) http://www.mmaranked.com/prospects_fighters/prospects_alan_omer.php - another prospect watch on him
 * 2) http://www.yourmma.tv/fighters/interview-details.asp?index=141 - interview with him over Shooto victory and a bout with Jason Young at Cage Warriors that he would later pull out from due to injury.
 * 3) http://www.groundandpound.de/en/general/interviews/news/a-good-fighter-always-finds-a-way-to-the-top/ - Interview which he talks about his return to competing after recovering from a injury. It also starts off by saying the UFC wanted him for the last season of The Ultimate Fighter (which was TUF 14) but couldn't because of his injury. This is from a reliable website but I will find another source that can back this up.
 * 4) http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f56/fighters-tuf-14-tryouts-1696051/ - Sherdog confirming that he did try out for the same season, but injury forced him out the competition. There is a video further down the page which it shows the TUF tryouts, and you can see him in the background at times.
 * 5) http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Phantom_MMA_XTFC_Fotoshooting_Alan_Omer?vid=10019727 - German language interview with Omer on MMA-Core, another big, reliable source.

Any more needed? BigzMMA (talk) 11:00, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a good effort, FYI #4 is a forum and doesn't count as a reliable source, #5 has nothing but advertisements for me.  So by my count there are 5 reliable sources covering Omer.  It's a good start and my deletion !vote is wavering.  I hope your intent is to include these additional sources in the article since they are hard to find (for me) in a Google search. --TreyGeek (talk) 15:53, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Well thats a start at least! :) I will add them in now, and I will find another few more articles on him just to seal the deal :P. BigzMMA (talk) 10:46, 10 December 2011 (UTC) There also a couple on the main page here that I haven't mentioned if you want to have a look? BigzMMA (talk) 11:07, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


 * http://www.kaefiggefluester.de/news/18-national/105-1-goeppinger-fight-night-alan-omer-im-hauptkampf - Just found this one, it talks about his most recent fight and mentions his TUF opportunity.

TreyGeek, how many more notable articles should I bring up to verify Omer's notability? Also would you be able to fix the references on the main page, I have no idea how to do it but they are the same links as the ones you agreed with me to be notable, reliable sources on Omer. Thanks BigzMMA (talk) 10:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete I'm not convinced that these are significant and reliable sources. Barely making a list of the top 20 prospects in his weight class fails that test, while fight results and post fight inverviews seem WP:ROUTINE to me. Mdtemp (talk) 20:41, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Barely made it? He is ranked 4 in most prospect watches in his weight class, I'd hardly use that line considering his position, if he was somewhere between 17-20 then fair enough, but this man is a TOP 5 PROSPECT in his division, agreed upon the most respected and notable MMA based websites, you can't say that isn't something worth pointing out? Most other pages have their entire reliability claim based on fight results/post fight interviews so why should it play against someone else other than them? BigzMMA (talk) 10:02, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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