Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alapati A'asa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 21:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Alapati A'asa

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Unsourced and does not meet WP:NBOX. –– FormalDude  talk  00:27, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Boxing. –– FormalDude   talk  00:27, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Notability met per WP:SPORTBASIC. A'asa covered significantly here in well known NZ news outlet Stuff. Significant coverage in Samoan news site here. Highly reputable news source NZ Herald has significant coverage here. As such, the subject is notable due to being significantly covered by multiple secondary sources which are reliable and independent. As the basic criteria are met, specific criteria at NBOX is not required - those criteria are indicators only, they are neither a concrete guarantee of notability where significant coverage does not exist nor a barrier to notability where significant coverage does exist. MaxnaCarta (talk) 00:39, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: have added the Herald and Samoan news source to the article. No longer unsourced. MaxnaCarta (talk) 00:45, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The article from Stuff cannot be used to demonstrate notability as it does not contain significant coverage, it is just a trivial fight summary. The article from Samoa News cannot be used to demonstrate notability either as it is not independent because it is an interview. That leaves one potentially notable source, which is not enough to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSBASIC. –– FormalDude   talk   03:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It is not an interview, the reporter has merely included comment from the subject. The independence is not affected as nothing in the article relied on to demonstrate a fact comes from the mouth of the subject. IE if there was some claim about being a world champion boxer, the subject stating this in an interview would not be independent and hence inappropriate source for that. However an otherwise independent piece with quotes from the subject is fine imo, like this, which only briefly cites the subject's commentary and instead focuses on other facts to which the subject never commented. The Stuff piece focuses on a fight by the subject, which to me is not trivial. I'm not trying to change your view btw, just putting in my input. MaxnaCarta (talk) 04:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Strong Delete  Delete: does not meet general notibility guidelines, does not meet NBOX. this boxer doesn't have significant coverage. 3 media articles isn't significant coverage. a guidelines in my opinion for significant coverage for a bare minimum is 30 different media articles with each article have a different topic about the boxer. on top of that the stuff article isn't even about the boxer, it is a results recap article.--Bennyaha (talk) 02:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC) UPDATE1: Has improved a lot however I still believe more references are needed.--Bennyaha (talk) 07:12, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Quantity is not a written criteria for significant coverage, so there is scope for ones personal judgement. But 30? Technically given the guideline says the word multiple, more than one would be enough. 30 seems pretty unreasonable. MaxnaCarta (talk) 04:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Have a look at the articles i created, Benjamin Kelleher, Floyd Masson, Andrei Mikhailovich, Hemi Ahio (this one i didn't create but i made majority of the edits). These I only made over the last couple months with majority of the edits done on the first day. Kelleher and Masson Wikipedia page were up for deletion at one point because 15 articles wasn't enough, so i edited it more with double the amount of articles. These are significant coverage that still active with multiple news sources and from different types of sources. These are perfect examples of what articles look like at the beginning when developing the article. yes it is tedious and take hours to do but this is how it is. You want the article to stay then you need to do better and add more before multiple people join into the conversation and put in their judgement. Bennyaha (talk) 06:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you think that a bare minimum is 30 different media articles with each article have a different topic about the boxer then you definitely need to re-read WP:NBIO. The notability criteria for biographies states People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. WP:SIGCOV states "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. So its multiple pieces (at least two) of in-depth coverage that are required for someone to be notable, not 30. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:06, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey I am just going off by my experience. I have had articles deleted with having a lot more references and a lot more content because it didn't reach a certain amount. Bennyaha (talk) 23:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I like the Somoa News article and think it can be used. However, for a non-notable boxer who never won any kind of championship and hasn't boxed for six years, I'd want to see more than one piece to satisfy GNG and justify having an article. The other hits I got in my BEFORE search were just passing mentions and routine fight coverage. – 2 . O . Boxing  06:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - added more refs.--IdiotSavant (talk) 02:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Be careful when making statements like "He fought Alex Leapai" as in the end the fight did not end up happening. In future please say he was scheduled the fight this people instead of saying he did. On top of that the the other reference stated he fought in 14 professional fights, however, after looking all over the place, i can not see where those other supposable 3 missing fights could be of happen. This could be lack of fact check of the source or lack even the source itself not being notable. The is no consistency which is what I am saying. Bennyaha (talk) 05:27, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * My apologies I have just found two of the missing fights that's are not recognized in the stats., , Bennyaha (talk) 06:14, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Question He doesn't appear to meet WP:NBOX and I'm not seeing the coverage necessary to meet WP:GNG. Will someone please show me the multiple sources that aren't routine sports coverage? Papaursa (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete He fails to meet WP:NBOX and I'm not seeing the multiple sources of significant independent coverage required by WP:GNG. Fight results and reporting typical of any professional boxer are insufficient to show me that he has WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NBOX.4meter4 (talk) 01:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


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