Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albania–Serbia relations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep, per WP:SNOW, WP:HEY'''. Non-admin closure by Skomorokh  03:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Albania–Serbia relations

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Yet another unsourced stub with no notability asserted, no notability establishable by me (via reliable independent sources of this ''relationship} and very dim chances for ever becoming notable. Bali ultimate (talk) 20:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Sounds like a P.R joke.keystoneridin! (talk) 20:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete the only real information on their relations is that they have ambassadors. The rest of it are organizations that they belong to, which is a subject irrelevant to this article, as near as I can see. Non-notable. -- BlueSquadron Raven  21:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I seem to recall some major tensions during the Kosovo War, I also question if anyone is even attempting to find any reliable sources on these. For instance I found A BBC article, A Boston Herald Article, an EU business article, A Southeastern Europe Times article, a Intelligence Wire article, A New York Times article that all establish strong notability and there are hundreds and hundreds more where that came from. I am absolutely shocked that nobody checked for these type of articles first before proceeding. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 22:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And will you be improving the article in a manner that would allow the rest of us to assess your assertions (what notable "relations" supported by what, etc...)? Or just throwing up a wall of links here with no context?Bali ultimate (talk) 22:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Bali not trying to be uncivil as I normally am not, but I have been easily rescuing many articles that you have put up for deletion within the past few days. Most notably Australia-Uruguay relations, and Canada-Kazakhstan relations have been updated by me and others using very easy to find links, I am actually re-writing this one as I type this quick message, using not just the links above but more I can quickly establish this articles notability. Thanks - Marcusmax ( speak ) 22:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And your efforts are often epic failures as well. Who cares? I don't. What are you going to do here? That's all I care about (and i hope the rest of us) here. Make a good article, by all means.Bali ultimate (talk) 22:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That is quite the un-civil comment, if my efforts were really "epic failures" then why are those Afd's all leaning keep right now? But that's beside the point on this article I am doing my best to write a in-depth article detailing the Political relations, including a "Mass Genocide" between the two, discuss the countries economic relationships and hopefully even add more. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 22:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me be crystal, uncivilly clear: I don't give a rats ass about your intentions. If you improve the article to meet inclusion standards, i do care. Either do it or do not, says yoda (or something).Bali ultimate (talk) 22:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Um Bali, given that you supported the civility parol for Dream today, based on comments which were much more civil in an Afd, I would suggest that you refactor this comment. then I will happily remove this one. Thanks! Ikip (talk) 23:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And "I keep" I don't care about your passive-aggression. I really don't care about anyones intentions. What i care about is the content of the articles. I care not -- not a rats ass -- about anything else here. Either the article has it or does not. I have nothing to refactor, and I have no regard for your advice on AfD ettiquette, just so we're perfectly clear.Bali ultimate (talk) 00:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Bali, Marcusmax offered legitamate and excellent references. Instead of embracing these references, and reconsidering your nomination for deletion, you personally attacked Marcusmax. Why? Ikip (talk) 01:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * strong keep Well referenced article (now). Ikip (talk) 23:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Relations between Serbia and Albania have been significant since the beginning of the country as a result of the Balkan Wars. And it doesn't hurt that they border each other, either.  I don't have the sources at the moment, but a history of the Balkan Wars alone would suffice to provide enough references for notability.  Nyttend (talk) 23:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I did some checking and found many other foreign nations have such articles. Examples are United States-Iraq, United States-France, United States-Germany. There are approximately 32400 in all. The Wurdalak (talk) 00:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note this discussion has been mentioned on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Serbia, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Europe/Albania,  Talk:Serbian-Albanian conflict, Talk:Kosovo War Ikip (talk) 00:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - if we cover Yugoslavia here (and we should, as Serbia is the successor state to Yugoslavia), then there's ample scholarly material on that relationship - more than just a "that guy visited that country and shook some hands" type of article. - Biruitorul Talk 00:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Article has encyclopedic value, just as many others of its type. It has ample room to grow.  Any relationship between two nations, is clearly notable.   D r e a m Focus  01:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The article meets WP:RS standards. Pastor Theo (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Closing nominator please note this article has been expanded and has gone from no references, to currently 6 references and several external links. Ikip (talk) 02:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per above, via The Heymann Standard. I would say this nomination is obsoleted by reliable third party sources added since nomination. / edg ☺ ☭ 02:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.