Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albatross Grammar School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. Work out the details on what is and is not a secondary or high school, then have this discussion if necessary. There seems to be significant confusion on that point. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 01:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Albatross Grammar School

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Appears to be a non-notable grammar school, and per wp standards a redirect (after delete of this content) in order. Epeefleche (talk) 21:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. This is a K-10 school. Secondary and high schools are usually kept per editor consensus. • Gene93k (talk) 23:09, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Gene. I had understood that while we usually keep high schools per editor consensus, that is not the case with middle schools/junior high schools and other schools that are junior to high schools.  Can you perhaps point me to the consensus that middle schools/junior high schools are kept, that you refer to?  Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as a high school. No reason why it doesn't meet WP:GNG.TerriersFan (talk) 00:54, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This school does not appear to include grades 11 and 12.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:22, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - 10th grade (age 16) is the cusp for a high school since that is the level when a school leaving certificate is awarded. TerriersFan (talk) 02:46, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to change my position if I can see where there is the consensus that schools up to grade 10 are treated the same as those that are higher level. If I can find or be shown that the unreferenced claim in the article that it does in fact go up to grade 10 can be sourced to an RS -- I see that two editors now have indicated that that is the case, but I can't find rs support for it myself in the article or on google, though it is likely my search is not as capable as that of others.  Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:25, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per TeririersFan. In most  countries, the legal  school  leaving  age is around 16, or a rough  equivalent  of US grade 10. This would include  collèges in  the French  education  system,  for example, where junior high and senior high (lycée) are completely  separate institutions,  and secondary  or comprehensive schools in  the UK where sixth form  colleges are also  often separate.  In  developing  countries, grades 11/12 are often only  available to  students within reach  of large schools in  big  cities. What  we don't  generally  include in  these criteria are 'middle' schools where students are required to  continue to  the third tier before they  are allowed to  leave. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:16, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete It does not educate beyond grade 10, so is more of a middle school, than a high school, thus failing to gain the blanket assumption of notability typically granted high schools. No sources have been presented to show it satisfies WP:N or WP:ORG, and Wikipedia is WP:NOT not a directory of every organization, business, or school which has ever existed. It is unreasonable to claim that if in some country people leave school after 10th grade) or 8th grade, or 5th grade) that that education pattern automatically makes their highest level of schooling notable for all such schools. Each such lesser school should be held strictly to satisfaction of WP:ORG, the applicable notability standard. Sources to satisfy it can usually be found with moderate effort for high schools, which get coverage in newspapers over a wider area. Edison (talk) 18:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What country's Ministry of Education classifies its school-leaver-age secondary schools as 'more of a middle school'? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:37, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * keep doesn't make sense to hold not united states schools to u.s. standards. Bouket (talk) 19:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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