Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albert F. Gallun


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Obviously borderline, and like with many borderline articles, I see no consensus here. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  02:45, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Albert F. Gallun

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He owned a house, he testified in court and he died. Nothing to indicate notability fails WP:GNG John from Idegon (talk) 19:20, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Recent additions have confirmed the notability of his business, but per WP:INHERIT, that does not make the owner of the business notable. John from Idegon (talk) 21:39, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Business meets WP:GNG owner does not. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪   ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀  21:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The business is notable, and the founder of the company and its president and successive presidents who are related to the father are also notable. There is more than enough coverage to indicate so.
 * Additionally, this nomination is harassment. I have made reasonable contributions to the website regarding notable people that are significant to Milwaukee and the Midwest and the United States and your constant nagging is discouraging. I have no idea who you are or why you continue to follow me around. I don't understand your fascination with me and my contributions.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilkweedPods (talk • contribs) 22:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Reformatted above comment to fall within AFD norms. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪  ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀
 * Comment The efforts by other editors to help submissions meet Wikipedia standards is in no way intended as harassment. We appreciate efforts by you to help improve the encyclopedia, but those efforts should follow guidelines the community has set up in order to make the project as streamlined and painless as possible.  I have left you a message with several useful resources to help improve this article and others, and as I mentioned on your talk page, I am more than happy to mentor you and guide you through the Wikipedia maze as it were. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪   ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀  03:18, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:20, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:20, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Lacks multiple reliable independent secondary sources to establish notability as required by WP:GNG and fails to state a reason notability should be presumed in lieu of sources under WP:ANYBIO.  Sorry, MilkweedPods, this AfD is not harassment.  I can see that you're a relatively new editor so you may not have realized that we use a technical definition of notability here on WP.  It's not enough that a subject should seem notable, others have to have actually taken note and they have to do it in reliable sources.  We don't have that here.  Msnicki (talk) 02:52, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Please define and quantify "multiple independent secondary sources." Also make sure you edit your wiki link stuff to specifically include that verbiage so as to never confuse anybody ever again. The entire world will then understand. "Notability" on wikipedia means "X" number of links from "X" number of "a certain kind of source" that you need to clearly define.
 * Personal attack removed.♥ Solarra ♥</b> <sup style="color:green">♪ 話 ♪  ߷  <sub style="color:#006400">♀ 投稿 ♀  03:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I looked through all of it, and there was nothing to indicate that this person should not be considered notable. Except to a certain small number of people who have nothing better to do with their time than to be discouraging and that for some reason enjoy removing content.
 * Exactly how many do you want? Nowhere in your user generated guidelines of best practices is there a specifically indicated quantified amount of sources stated. Your technical definition of notability is user-generated.
 * I have made a considerable amount of effort to include extremely notable people from Wisconsin, less one article about a spouse which I really don't give a shit about at this point, and this site has done absolutely nothing to encourage me to continue. nothing.
 * The guy was the president of one of the largest leather manufacturers in the entire united states, if not the entire world in his time.
 * What more do you want? How many more references do I need to add?
 * I look forward to your answer, and I also look forward to your answer being immediately transferred/incorporated into your guidelines that you all love to cite so often. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilkweedPods (talk • contribs)
 * Reformatted above comment to align with AFD formatting. <b style="color:#FC89AC;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">♥ Solarra ♥</b> <sup style="color:green">♪ 話 ♪  ߷  <sub style="color:#006400">♀ 投稿 ♀
 * Answer At Wikipedia we specifically look for reliable secondary sources. Generally, newspapers, major published works, academic journals, etc.  This is done so the subject can be covered neutrally stictly based on verifiable facts written in another location.
 * As for the actual inclusion of a biographical article, the biographical standard for articles states:
 * As for the actual inclusion of a biographical article, the biographical standard for articles states:


 * 1) The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times.
 * 2) The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field.
 * What this means is that a certain level of notability has to be established before a subject is included. Not every local leader and/or minor company president gets an article just because of their position.  If you have any further questions feel free to ask. <b style="color:#FC89AC;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">♥ Solarra ♥</b> <sup style="color:green">♪ 話 ♪   ߷  <sub style="color:#006400">♀ 投稿 ♀  03:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Again, everything you typed is just citing user-generated bullshit. There is no wikipedia "law" of requiring a significant award or having been written about by several independent biographers to be considered notable. You are linking to a wikipedia page for a wikiproject and are citing "tips".  I'm not part of a "focused collaboration" nor do I have to be.  Quite frankly, after everything I have experienced the last few days, I would never ever desire to be part of a "collaborative effort" if this is how you all interact.
 * The content I created isn't part of the wikiproject on autobiographies, and that doesn't make my content invalid. Long term users shouldn't go around bullying new users by nominating their content for deletion because they feel like it. Especially when the content is legitimate and there was no reason to assume bad faith on my part. Long term users nominating my content for deletion because they think my structure is disjointed, and assuming I have a language barrier is bizarre. The continued obsession over the content I have added here, is truly creepy. Again, the focus should be on encouraging people, not being discouraging.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilkweedPods (talk • contribs) 05:35, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Formatted above comment to align with AFD
 * Response The guidelines I have listed apply to all biographies not just autobiographies. Wikipedia has set policies for inclusion of content.  The nominations for deletion have been in line with the deletion policy. I am happy to help you learn that and other policies and guidelines. <b style="color:#FC89AC;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">♥ Solarra ♥</b> <sup style="color:green">♪ 話 ♪   ߷  <sub style="color:#006400">♀ 投稿 ♀  06:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep He was the president of a major business. He also made significant contributions to the general development of Milwaukie and its environs. We have multiple sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:14, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment wow! thank you! finally! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilkweedPods (talk • contribs) 22:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Reformatted above comment and signed. <b style="color:#FC89AC;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">♥ Solarra ♥</b> <sup style="color:green">♪ 話 ♪  ߷  <sub style="color:#006400">♀ 投稿 ♀


 * Keep He is detailed in the "Shoe and Leather Reporter, Volume 48", "History of Milwaukee, City and County, Volume 3", and "The Milwaukee Journal - Aug 27, 1942". That's 2 books and 1 major newspaper which is multiple reliable sources. He is notable as a junior partner and later President of a major tannery firm which was huge back in his day. Another component to his notability is his testimony and leadership to advance his community to village status. Advice to MilkweedPods: if you want to avoid deletion discussions and people watching your actions, then you need to find at least 3 very solid sources before you even start an article. Otherwise Wikipedia will be a stressful place for you. It's hard to be a new editor now compared to what it was when most of us started many years ago. Everyone else knows how the website runs and uses it against you. Having someone with lots of experience to help mentor you for the first few articles would be invaluable to you. Perhaps Milwaukeean User:Orangemike who's very strict and rigorous about sources and often nominates / comments to delete articles might be willing to help you?? I hope this advice helps.  Royal broil  11:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks for finding those sources,, but upon inspecting the two books at google books, there isn't enough there to be considered discussion in detail. Shoe & Leather just mentions he arrived from Europe. History of Milwaulkee has a few passing mentions of him and a somewhat detailed blurb on Albert H. Gallun.  Couldn't access the newspaper article.  So, sorry, but I still just don't see it.  Notable business, perhaps some local notability, but not enough to warrant a bio here. John from Idegon (talk) 18:52, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak and reluctant delete - unless you can find more substantial coverage of the younger A.F. Gallun. I think you'd be better off trying to expand and improve the presently sketchy article on the senior A.F., August F. Gallun, which is pretty minimal right now. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  21:26, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Royalbroil and John Pack Lambert. I think there's enough notability demonstrated in the article. He was notable enough regionally for UPI news wire notices to appear on page one of the Wisconsin State Journal and smaller papers throughout Wisconsin such as the Stevens Point Daily and Appleton Post Crescent, not paid obits, news wire reports. His obit was in the Milwaukee Sentinel with a photo on the page and also appeared in the Milwaukee Journal, two large papers in a major US city. --Dual Freq (talk) 16:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
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