Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albert Mamary


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The result was speedy keep /Nom Withdrawn. Consensus is clear that this is a content/cleanup isssue that can be dealt with editorially. Star  Mississippi  00:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Albert Mamary

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Here v. PROD as it has been deleted and recreated (ages ago, not a process issue. Courtesy ). This article is sourced primarily from Mr. Mamary's own book which explains the tone. It's also likely copy/pasted from somewhere off line. I could clean it up, but a BEFORE identified no secondary, reliable sources that discuss him or his work in depth. this appears to be his best cited work, which isn't high enough to meet WP:PROF and I don't see any other path to notability. Star  Mississippi  22:18, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Star   Mississippi  22:18, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
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 *  Very weak keep, and stubify Weak keep, and cut down The subject appears to have been somewhat influential in the idea of outcome-based education in the 1970s-1990s, mostly before the internet era.  Sources are accordingly somewhat more difficult to find.  I'm not seeing enough impact for a pass of WP:NPROF here.  However, as far as WP:BASIC goes, there's a profile at Education Week  (though listed in the opinion section); there's an interview in Educational Leadership  and a bit of other coverage in ASCD publications.  A local paper obituary  can fill in basic bio details. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 11:28, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Tweaking !vote per better sources found below. Stubify is no longer the right word, but there's plenty of unsourced and/or promotionally-worded material to cut out. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 08:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. He seems to have had a lot of influence with other school superintendents. I added a nice resolution that the New York State Senate passed after his death. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Cheryl Taylor Desmond's book about how the Johnson City school district transformed itself has a great deal of material on Albert Mamary. See here for example. I have added the book to the Further reading section. I will say it took awhile to find this. It often isn't easy locating material about educators. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Quick question to and : it looks to me that the book is used twice, separately as a reference and once as an EL/further reading. Is that intentional? Not dissagreeing with with its inclusion, I'm unclear how it's meant to be used  Star   Mississippi  20:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Desmond's book is only in the Further reading section. It has not yet been used as a reference. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I misread. Star   Mississippi  20:44, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


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