Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alberto Alcázar


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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 11:57, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Alberto Alcázar

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Probable autobiography with no evidence of notability found in a WP:BEFORE search. I can't find any coverage of his roles relating to composing music for these obscure indie games and I can't find any independent coverage of his career as a musician or as an actor. I can't see any criteria at WP:NACTOR or WP:NMUSICIAN that he actually meets. A lot of the references used to support notability don't mention Alcázar at all, which is bizarre. The only thing I'm not too sure about is video game composer notability standards, so I would appreciate if someone from WP:VG could weigh in and confirm whether he can be presumed notable for that, since it looks like he fails everything else. Source analysis for WP:GNG to follow. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:54, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
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Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:59, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Source assessment - GNG not met Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:59, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Response #0000 to Spiderone
Hello Spiderone, first of all; hope you're having a wonderful day and we together improve this article so it meets the Wikipedia's guidelines by far.

Regarding your comments:
 * As exposed on the article this celebrity "is better known by his nickname Seven Words"; evidence of notability could be found in a WP:BEFORE search (just unveiled his real name).
 * His roles related to composing music, his musician career and as an actor could actually be found with his real name and or nicknames (all of them are cameos playing himself as a "unkown person" but he's mentioned in the credits).
 * Not all references mention Alcázar because some of them are not for him but for mentioned items related to the subject (Salvados, for example). I don't find that bizarre; enriches the article imo.
 * I'm sure he meets game composer and or developer notability standards exceeding aproved articles as for example bignic, "he's the Spanish Toby Fox" (as said on TV about him) with a huge influence in the Spanish indie gamedev community, less than Toby Fox but well known for a set achievements in different areas related and not related to audiovisual projects.

I've updated the source assesment table (hope you don't mind, I thought that creating another table could be confusing):
 * Deleted rows: related to Flickr (this one should not be placed in the body, my bad; just corrected that). SoundCloud, website of this celebrity and his Spotify channel are not reliable sources; they weren't trying to be, just external links related to the subject, see WP:EXT.
 * Updated second row: the celebrity is quoted several times and meets criteria at least as presumed, see WP:SIGCOV.
 * Updated fifth row: sections such as the cast list, character names, the crew lists, release dates, company credits, awards, soundtrack listing, filming locations, technical specs, alternate titles, running times, and rating certifications on IMDb could be used as reliable sources, see WP:CITEIMDB

All that said, I'll keep working on this article so we reach a consensus. KharmaJoy (Talk to KharmaJoy) 17:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Response #0001 to Spiderone

 * I apologize for modifying your table instead of creating a new one, didn't thought of it as a comment out of ignorance; my bad. I'm adding mine here, don't want to touch yours anymore (obviously) to avoid misunderstandings; you may want to roll yours back, the article has been updated so you may want to update it too.

KharmaJoy (Talk to KharmaJoy) 20:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Source assessment - GNG met:


 * Delete Per nom. No reliable sources available for WP:GNG. TheChronium  13:14, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nominator. Non-notable. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 05:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Per nominator. Notable. User:KharmaJoy (talk) 17:18, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable Spanish famous celebrity, pretty well known among indie video game developers and more important; there's plenty of coverage in reliable sources for WP:GNG and WP:VG. I made some research myself and even more reliable sources could be added. User:HelenaMCRfan (talk) 21:11, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Relevant, article should be improved. GamedevExpert (Talk to GamedevExpert) 18:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Per WP:TPO, Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning. Adding your own entries to a table someone else made counts as changing the meaning, because you are making it seem like that user said something which they didn't. It does not matter if it would be "confusing" to create your own table, you should not ever add your own content into other users' comments without their express permission. Mlb96 (talk) 19:11, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, didn't thought of that table as a comment; my bad, won't happen again. User:KharmaJoy (talk) 20:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - firstly, how is this athletics Alcázar the same person? Do you have proof of that? This looks like a case of WP:FRANKENSTEIN where a non-notable athlete and a non-notable musician are erroneously considered to be the same person. Anyway, being a regional medallist clearly fails WP:NTRACK. The musician subject to deletion is called Alberto Alcázar Martín but the athlete, subject to the sources that have recently been added is called Alberto Alcázar Casasola. See RFEA profile. This article is incredibly misleading. Are you writing an article about AAM or AAC? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:41, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment - As has pointed out "A. Alcázar Martín" is clearly not "A. Alcázar Casasola", there are records of an "A. Alcázar Martín-Casasola". Maybe the confusion came from there, maybe "Casasola" and "Martín-Casasola" are the same person; but Wikipedia isn't built upon "maybes". I'm changing my nomination on this discussion. This article started being about "A. Alcázar Martín" the indie game developer and score composer  so I suggest you to do more research on that athletic Casasola if you want to write a different article about him.  I suggest you to focus on research "Seven Words" the nickname for which Alcázar is known.  GamedevExpert (Talk to GamedevExpert) 18:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC) Blocked sock; see SPI. Mz7 (talk) 04:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. My search comes up with nothing to establish any notability. --MuZemike 11:26, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


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