Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alberto Alfonso de Gonzalez y Rodrigo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 00:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Alberto Alfonso de Gonzalez y Rodrigo

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This article is in the first person and in bad English. It is difficult to see if this character is important, but it smells like self-promotion. All edits appear to be by a single user, except for one early request for expansion. — Gareth Hughes (talk) 16:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - this doesn't merely smell of self-promotion, it stinks up the place. While this awaits deletion I made an edit or two, for some factual correctness. Drmies (talk) 17:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't make heads or tails of this. JuJube (talk) 04:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete The first part, a history of the title, is for the most part a direct Babelfish translation of the Spanish Wikipedia Marquesado de Aguilar de Campoo page . It is intended to read something like:
 * ". . . is the present Marquis of Aguilar, a title inherited from [his] maternal ancestors, direct descendants of the House of Lara (also called the Manrique de Lara), who originate in the Kings of Castile, themselves descendants of the early Counts of Castile."
 * "The Marquesses of Aguilar de Campoo have traditionally held the inherited title of Grand Chancellor of Castile. The Marquesses of Aguilar de Campoo (who were made Grandees of Spain), were originally Lords of that town and its associated holdings, 14th century King Enrique II of Castile confirming his brother Tello of Castile's holdings there. The Catholic Monarchs [i.e. Ferdinand and Isabella] in 1484 elevated Garci Fernandez IV Manrique de Lara, fifth Lord of Aguilar de Campoo, third Count of Castañeda and Buelna, Grand Chancellor of Castile, great-grandson and successor of Don Tello, to the title of Marquess of Aguilar de Campoo."
 * None of this really tells us much about the subject. We then learn where he was born, where he was educated, and that he had some military training. He has a hero, belongs to a political party and is president of a labor organization, and he travels and helps the poor.
 * Good for him, but as a Wikipedia page, it suffers from violations of WP:NPOV, WP:V, and WP:NOR, as well as violating many of the criteria set forward in WP:BLP, not to mention its translation problems. Still, all this might be cleaned up, but there is little point if it fails to meet WP:N. There are two potential claims to notability. First is the title itself. If rightly held, it is unclear that the holding of such a title in Spain, in and of itself, attaches notability to the subject in the English Wikipedia. Likewise, the Spanish Wikipedia Marquesado de Aguilar de Campoo page traces the title to another individual who seems yet to be living, and I find her making claim to the title on several independent web pages, suggesting recent inheritance (too recent to be updated), competing claims or hoax.  Second is the leadership of the UNT. This appears to be a legitimate labor organization founded on the principles of his hero, but again we have the same two issues - does this make it notable for English Wikipedia, and is the claim authentic. The Spanish Wikipedia page for the Union  states that on 1 May 2008, Rafael Muñiz García, who had been president for 30 years, was replaced by Jorge Garrido San Román. This information is also reported in the organization's newsletter  without indication of subsequent change. This claim, then, may represent a hoax. Thus the page currently fails to demonstrate notability and appears dubious regarding both qualifying claims, although the subject does appear to have stood for election on his party's slate, as Alberto Alfonso González Rodrigo, but such activity alone fails to confer notability. Taken together, the retention of this page is hard to justify. Agricolae (talk) 11:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


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