Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alberto Alvarez de Cienfuegos Cobos


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. NorthAmerica1000 22:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Alberto Alvarez de Cienfuegos Cobos

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This is a machine translation (Google translate) of the Spanish Wikipedia article on the same subject. This might be regarded as an WP:A2 case, since this is actually a Spanish language article, not an English language one. According to WP:TIE, "an unedited machine translation, left as a Wikipedia article, is worse than nothing". Vanjagenije (talk) 21:09, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk to me  21:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete If this article were sourced (and the one in Spanish is not, either), I would be willing to fix the translation errors. However, not only is it not sourced but I can't even clearly establish the existence of this author. There is just one author with a similar name, Alberto Álvarez Cienfuegos who appears in VIAF as an entry from the National Library of Spain. However, his dates are listed there as 1856-1957 (101!) while the WP article says he was born in 1885. Other searches, e.g. G Scholar, don't turn up anything helpful. LaMona (talk) 23:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ⨹   04:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: per "machine translation is worse than nothing" rationale. Vrac (talk) 15:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, but  that's an absurd rationale. the quote from TIE is hyperbola meant to discourage doing these without editing them--and will never be applicable as a deletion argument, since it refers to an unedited machine translation, & such translations can always be improved by editing. We delete articles that cannot be improved; we improve those that can. Therefore, the question is, rather, whether it is in this case  worth the effort.  I would usually defer to the judgment of other language WPs for cultural figures in their language area--and least for those   no longer  BLPs. Unfortunately, Worldcat shows no holdings except National Library of Spain, and that's not enough confirmation of importance.  DGG ( talk ) 23:20, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to edit it. Let us know when you are done, perhaps it will be worth saving. Vrac (talk) 23:28, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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