Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alberto Rey Games Hernandez


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. JForget 00:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Alberto Rey Games Hernandez

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Non-notable Leuko (talk) 20:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete unless a better case for notability can be made, with proper sources. Hairhorn (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ten Google hits, all Wikipedia or mirrors. Fails WP:ATHLETE and possibly WP:AUTO, as it was created by User:Agames (yes, that's a stretch, but...) THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 02:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral for now. If it could be verified with a reliable source, the claim of being the 1962 weightlifting champion in Cuba would be a notable achievement. I've tried removing various parts of the name to aid in the search, and I did find this interesting blog post by someone claiming to be his son that "Alberto Rey Games" was '62 champion. I would guess that he, rather than his 71-year-old father, is the article's creator. Location (talk) 22:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:V and various other guidelines. Although the article's creator appears to be unfamiliar with Wikipedia policy (see WP:DONTBITE), he has been aware that we need something more substantive. Location (talk) 19:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * PATIENCE WITH ME? IT'S OBVIOUS WHY YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THIS ARTICLE, YOU          (talk) NEVER HAD A FATHER OR HE WOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU THAT YOU SHOULD NEVER, EVER SPEAK TRASH BEHIND ANOTHER MAN'S BACK...IT'S VERY SISSY! THIS APPLIES TO YOUR WIKI BUDDY THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL, WHO BY HIS OWN ADMISSION NEVER HAD A FATHER. I MEAN NO OFFENSE BY THIS STATEMENT, SO DON'T SITE ME.AGAMES 18 SEPT 2009
 * We never had fathers? Don't site you? What are you even talking about any more? THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 08:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting that nobody challenges the words in sergio oliva claims that he was Cuba's best weightlifter with WP:V. I have already requested published information on ALBERTO R. GAMES HERNANDEZ winning Cuba's National Championship from Cuba, since a Letter of Authority is not sufficient. It seems that everyone is WK:GAME AND WP:DONTBITE since I'm a new to Wikipedia. I'm certain that there are other examples of WP:V issues but this has more to do with the "Subject Matter" than violating Rules. Let me remind WP that ALBERTO R. GAMES HERNANDEZ is not only a UNITED STATES CITIZEN but also SHED BLOOD building NAVY VESSELS for the Country. I believe an Exception should apply and this page allowed to stand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agames (talk • contribs)


 * DO NOT DELETE This article is written by me, Alberto Rey Games, Jr., son of Alberto Rey Games Hernandez. My father is Cuba's National Weightlifting Champion in the 198lb. Division in 1962, as stated in a letter from Mr. Rafael Guerrero, trainer and coach of the Cuban Weightlifting Team which I can submit to Wikipedia for verification. As to the "industrial accident", I can submit court evidence supporting that it was two tons of sheet metal which fell on my father while working on a Sea Service Tanker for the USN. Please do not delete this article since the Cuban Revolution affected every aspect of life in Cuba and his title is significant because it was essentially the first title in weightlifting after the Cuban Revolution of 1959. Unfortunately, Cuban Athletes when they leave Cuba are deemed "Deserters", such as my father's case. There is a source on the web, http://www.monografias.com/trabajos65/historia-levantamiento-pesas/historia-levantamiento-pesas.shtml, which is in Spanish which details the history of weighlifting in the city of Gtmo. I contacted the author and he sent me pictures of my father when he won various competitions. Agames (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2009
 * Everything you said after "the Cuban Revolution affected every aspect of life in Cuban" comes off as your opinion, which in turn constitutes original research, and that is discouraged in Wikipedia. Also, since you admitted you are related to the subject (which I suspected), I think I should inform you that you're not supposed to write about your family members. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 06:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to be argumentative, but I think the "Cuban Revolution", is as what the word implies- a general change in direction. The Country went for a market-based economy/open society to a planned economy/closed society, which in turn affected every aspect of society. I think this "point of view", as you call it, can be substantiated with scholarly materials, hence it's hardly "an opinion" and or "original research." In fact, my father is considered a DESERTER for leaving the country as is SERGIO OLIVA and many others whom have left. lastly, what part gave away that I was related...was it the agames username or my admitting to this fact? I believe this rule in intended to discourage people from arbitrarily writing articles about "family members" in general. However, I make no apologies for the fact that I wrote this article in the third person. However, I hope that I don't have to contact someone else to submit this article, since this would be dumb. Now, on the matter of NOTABILITY, I hope that there is no argument in that his achievement is a NOTEWORTHY event; which can be proven.Agames 10:50, 15 September 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.170.217.137 (talk)
 * What part of WP:AUTO do you not understand? THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 19:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * THIS IS NOT AN AUTOBIOGRAPHY; LOOK UP THE DEF. OF AUTO BIO'S: IT IS A BIO THOUGH!
 * A letter signed by a coach probably doesn't meet the standard of verifiability for something as significant as "national champion", no matter how legitimate the letter is. And there is no point submitting evidence of a non-notable industrial accident. Hairhorn (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I AGREE. HOWEVER, I'M ATTEMPTING TO OBTAIN SOURCE INFO WHICH MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED IN CUBA 1962, (NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, PUBLICATIONS, ETC.) AND A COPY OF THE "OFFICIAL RECORD" KEPT IN CUBA. BUT, IT'S A "CLOSED SOCIETY" AND IT VERY DIFFICULT.
 * On the "NON-NOTABLE" INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE U.S. SUPREME COURT DECIDES THIS CASE, SINCE IT'S PENDING FOR VIOLATIONS OF 1) 1954 CONV. TO STATUS OF REFUGEES 2) ARTICLE 22 OF THE UN CONVENTION 3) U.S.C. TITLE 18, TITLE 42, TITLE 8, TITLE 20, BILL OF RIGHT ARTICLE 6,7,8, 14TH AMENDMENT DUE PROCESS. (THAT ALL). SO, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT. OH, IN CASE YOUR INTERESTED THE CASE IS: ADDA N. GAMES, ET AL. V. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ET AL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agames (talk • contribs) 05:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should read WP:COI. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 07:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * WOW! What is your problem with this page? Seem like you're attempting to throw everything including the kitchen sink. I cannot see where WP:COI applies since this page is not done with the authors personal interest rather than Wikipedia's Neutral point of view. FACTS are FACTS, and they are only being reported in a NEUTRAL manner. If you're implying that this page is done with the purpose of expressing a personal opinion, or point of view, which is in a Conflict of Interest with Wikipedia's Mission, YOU COULDN'T BE WRONGER!(LOL) The page only expresses FACTUAL INFORMATION and is authored in the third person and NEUTRAL point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agames (talk • contribs) 15:58, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me see if I can spell it out for you. A conflict of interest means someone close to the subject is creating an article about that subject, and you full-on admitted that you are the son of the person the article is about. That kind of behavior is discouraged on Wikipedia. I don't know how I can be any more clear. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 19:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Taking what you've said into account, I went back and re-read WP:COI and I was unable to find a def. which stipulates "someone close to the subject is creating an article about that subject". In fact, what it does say is

"A Wikipedia conflict of interest (COI) is an incompatibility between the aim of Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia, and the aims of an individual editor." Just because I'm related by blood does NOT place me in conflict with this rule. I'm certain that there are contibutors, related to or not, which contribute to Wikipedia.

However, if there is one person IN VIOLATION of Wikipedia's behavioral rules it is you. Please read WP:GAME Unfortunately, most people that could write about Mr. Alberto R. Games Hernandez, Cuba's 1962 National Champion, probably are not within the capacity to write about him in Wikipedia. So, I'll leave it up to you; instead of fighting me so violently on this, lend me a hand and see how this Hero can be honored. Good luck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agames (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not fighting you violently, or even fighting you at all; in fact, the only person getting all riled up is you. And as far as not finding a definition that stipulates "someone close to the subject is creating an article about that subject", um...did you not read the section on close relationships?
 * But you know what? I'm tired of continually explaining this to you. You don't get it because you don't want to get it. So let's just see what other users have to say. (By the way, just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm gaming the system.) THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 07:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * LOOK METROSEXUAL, first, COI is not a reason for DELETING an article. Second, the rules state that "Using COI allegations to harass an editor or to gain the upper hand in a content dispute is prohibited, and can result in a block or ban." INTERESTINGLY, you are the ONLY ONE attacking me on WP:COI, when this is something that can be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agames (talk • contribs)
 * Then include me, though I don't plan on "attacking" you either. The COI guidelines suggest that you shouldn't be involved with an article about your father. This conflict of interest you have also colors any comments you make in this deletion discussion. While we might trust that an uninvolved editor might wish the article to remain in the encyclopedia because it is notable enough to merit inclusion, it is reasonable to assume that you want the article to remain because you want to promote your father. That's a reasonable thing to do, noble in fact, but unfortunately it is not compatible with the aims of Wikipedia. Your aggressive behavior only undermines your arguments in this deletion discussion. I suggest that you base your arguments on policy and common sense rather than attacking editors who disagree with you. --  At am a  頭 09:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Clearly unverified original research. --  At am a  頭 09:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete unless sources indicating notability can be found. Edward321 (talk) 14:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OR. -- A3RO (mailbox)  19:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.