Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alby gård


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kpg  jhp  jm  07:09, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Alby gård

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Listed almost a year ago with multiple issues, particularly notability. No attempt has been made to address these issues. In fact there has been no material edit since 2016 when it was created. Toyokuni3 (talk) 20:30, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. It looks like a beautiful farm, although there are no citations in the article itself. Bmbaker88 (talk) 21:30, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:30, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:31, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:31, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment, found some info, here is an article about the farm from a Moss region website, and a tourist website, even if there isnt deemed to be enough for a standalone article, a redirect to a couple of sentences at Jeløy may be appropriate. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:10, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. This appears to be the sort of building that would be protected by cultural heritage legislation and would therefore qualify under WP:GEOFEAT. I can't find the Norwegian architectural heritage register online (maybe someone else can?) but I'm still going to say this would appear to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Did a basic Google search and a couple sources did come up. The article not having it does not mean it is not notable. Plus, it also has a better article in another language. So, it's a matter of expansion. Passes WP:NPLACE. Sir Tragedy (talk) 12:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment/Question - I don't know how much better that article is. It is an old garden but nothing I can find mentions it being a landmark or tourist attraction. The fact that it is old does not automatically make it notable, in my opinion. I'm not convinced it passes WP:NPLACE without something stating its significance other than it being the oldest garden in a region. If nothing can connect its age to giving it historical status or some form of landmark, does it really qualify as notable?  Denied Club ❯❯❯ talk?  05:24, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: In the absence of any sources, I find the "keep" !votes not very convincing.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 12:07, 17 December 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Thanks to User:RebeccaGreen for the input. This was relisted last time due to weak keep arguments. The delete arguments are no stronger, just focusing on article quality issues. Relisting in the hope that we get enough quality input to reach a meaningful consensus
 * Keep I notice that most of the content was deleted 2 1/2 years ago, leaving the article as the stub it currently is - the reason given was "Saving content to history pending sources". I'm really not sure how deleting content helps find sources for it! While the Norwegian versions have more information, even they don't seem to cover all the aspects suggested by available sources. Eg one of the sources found by Coolabahapple says "Gallery F 15 is one of the oldest and most traditional institutions for contemporary art in Norway." This incongruity between the old, traditional setting and the contemporary art it exhibits is mentioned in an article in a 1969 issue of art journal Kunsten idag (Issues 87-90 - Page 38), translating " Already outside of the idyllic exhibition hall, Alby farm on Jeløen, Hasior put in its shock-opening: concrete sculptures with distorted human-like forms burn in living flames!" I also found that it features in a 1911 festschrift for Henning Frederik Feilberg , roughly (very roughly, I think) translated: "From Alby Farm, he tried as a literary, and from there he began to publish the three bind of Ordinary Norwegian Moon Writing in 1830, once again anonymously, which in May 1832 brought his language policy thoughts." (That's only a snippet view, so it may well have more about Alby farm.) So, I think there is enough coverage over an extensive amount of time to meet WP:GEOFEAT. RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:41, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michig (talk) 08:07, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep A quick search of Wikipedia.no brings up the Norwegian wikipedia article on this farm. It is, according to an external link, on the Swedish National Heritage Board's Kulturminnesok. This site states "Alby is the oldest farm on Jeløy with roots back to the Viking Age. The current main building dates from 1866. Gallery F15 is here. Garden with baroque prints and alleys from the early 19th century are registered as historical gardens."Aurornisxui (talk) 17:25, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


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