Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alchesay Flat


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The result was keep. Seems like late in the discussion compelling WP:GEOLAND-based arguments for keeping came in. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Alchesay Flat

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Fails WP:GEOLAND, no sources describing this natural feature beyond being a name on a map. Reywas92Talk 04:49, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment I'm almost certainly a delete, but there are at least a couple sources out there describing it as the place where Chief Alchesay is buried. This falls under WP:GEOLAND #2 so we have to meet GNG. Will look a little more tomorrow. SportingFlyer  T · C  12:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It may be named after him (although not listed in the article, but isn't Chief William Alchesay buried at Whiteriver, Arizona, about 5 miles south (see here)? Coolabahapple (talk) 23:38, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * See, find a grave isn't necessarily reliable. SportingFlyer  T · C  06:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - WP is also a gazetteer, and this would fall under that aspect. It's included in The National gazetteer of the United States of America, Flyfisher's Guide to Arizona, Annual Report on the Archeological Programs of the Western Region, National Park Service (1977), as well as many atlases. It's also discussed in local newspaper articles, such as in the Arizona Republic in September 1987 and July 2003. Onel 5969  TT me 12:13, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So are you going to provide what these newspapers "discuss" for us or not? WP:5P says WP "combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers" not that it is a gazetteer and needs separate, completely content-free articles for every one of the millions of named places in this country/planet regardless of notability. Reywas92Talk 20:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "not that it is a gazetteer", although WP:NGEO states "Per Wikipedia's Five pillars, the encyclopedia also functions as a gazetteer (my emphasis);". Coolabahapple (talk) 01:05, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect per WP:GEOLAND bullet 4, a feature must have "enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article" and otherwise can be "included in a more general article". I have gone ahead and updated Navajo County with an entry for this location. MB 17:16, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - as per WP:GEOLAND. Nothing to redirect it to as no other article seems to mention it (and redirecting to a region with an article that doesn't mention it is just confusing). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 17:44, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * have added it to Fort Apache Indian Reservation (or if editors prefer, we can have a "Localities" subsection?) as the article doesnt have many links pointing to it. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:59, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I added it to Navajo County specifically as a target for a redirect; there certainly is a place to redirect it to (wasn't that clear above?) I added a couple of sentences there, more that just the name in a list as did in Fort Apache Indian Reservation which could also work. MB 06:07, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment, do these help?: - the United States Geological Survey has a named map - "USGS 1:24,000: Alchesay Flat, Arizona", here is a survey that describes the area - "Archaeological Survey of Two Housing Parcels Near Whiteriver and Alchesay Flat", this obit from the White Mountain Independent mentions that it is a settlement - "Chief Alchesay received Medal of Honor for his service in the Apache Wars" - "His granddaughter, Yvonna Redsteer, and her husband, Guy, live on the site of Chief Alchesay’s former home. She said, “All of us in Alchesay Flats are from him..."", this obit states it is a settlement - "..the family residence, 9651 N. Chief Ave, Alchesay Flats, Arizona.". Coolabahapple (talk) 03:46, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Newspapers.com gives only five articles, including an obituary and comments on a fire which caused people in the Alchesay Flat area to evacuate. The Tucson Citizen lists it as a "community unsafe for occupation" in this fire story. SportingFlyer  T · C  06:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, clearly a populated place that exists. BD2412  T 04:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, as per WP:NGEO, which states “named natural features, with verifiable information beyond simple statistics are presumed to be notable”, and the references mentioned in this discussion which unambigiously provide “verifiable information beyond simple statistics” Samboy (talk) 08:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


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