Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alderaan (astronomy)


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The result was Keep and moved to Al-Dhira'. There's some question here about whether the topic is notable at all, but the bigger issue seems to be with the name. Arabic names that get transliterated into English tend to have variable spellings (that's actually true of any pair of languages, not just Arabic to English), but from what I see here, most people think Al Dhira' is a better choice.

I'm leaving a redirect behind, if for no other reason than to keep the hat-note in Alderaan from going red.

If people want to continue to discuss better names and/or possible merges, that can all be done on the article talk page without need for further WP:AFD involvement. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:50, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Alderaan (astronomy)

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The article itself fails to give any references supporting the existence or use of this name, and I couldn't find anything. The article does link to a source for an asterism with a similar name. I couldn't find any popular sources using the name. In short, this name doesn't appear to exist and fails WP:GNG. Lithopsian (talk) 20:11, 9 July 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — MRD 20  14  00:54, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The article is currently fairly poor, but there are references to be found. Here's one where entries 2 and 3 on the linked page 559 extensively refer to al-dhira' . Here's another book  that calls it "the Dhirá'án", and cites Lane's Arabic Lexicon, page 962. This one  calls it "Aldryan", as well, citing the Lexicon again. On the current only reference at the Wikipedia page, it says "Al Dhira' ", the plural of which is (at least in some transliterations) Alderaan. It definitely exists and passes WP:GNG. --Hameltion (speak, spoken) 06:11, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Astronomy-related deletion discussions. North America1000 10:05, 17 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Seemingly zero sources support the name "Alderaan", not even the one already in the article. The sources may support Al-Dhira and the like. Mr. Magoo (talk) 19:07, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Would you support a Move to Al-Dhira' or some other name? --Hameltion (speak, spoken) 20:01, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * This is my basic issue. Lots of references for all sorts of Arabic names, but not a single source that says any of them decline or transliterate into Alderaan. I don't know if they are equivalent to Alderaan or not, but without a source it seems a step too far for Wikipedia to say they do. A move to one of the names that is actually given in a source would be fine. Allen, the only source currently in the article, is considered a (somewhat antiquated) bible in this respect, so whatever it says would work. Note that what the article currently says bears little relation to what Allen says. The original creator of the article did want to make the connection to Star Wars, but the OR about that is long gone. Lithopsian (talk) 20:24, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If it's an alternative name for the two brightest stars in Canis Minor and two from Gemini (constellation), then judging by the mentions already at Canis Minor like "asterism Shuiwei, which literally means "water level". Combined with additional stars in Gemini, Shuiwei represented an official" and "The Aztec calendar was related to their cosmology. The stars of Canis Minor were incorporated along with some stars of Orion and Gemini into an asterism associated with the day called "Water".", it probably belongs at Canis Minor. Mr. Magoo (talk) 20:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 *  Strong Keep. NOTE: sources that are about the topic support its notability, even if they do not use the name that we use for our article. If there are lots of sources with Arabic names, or with the name Al-Dhira, or others, and these are all clearly about the same topic then we keep the article. The issue of none of the sources using the name we do is a possible justification for a move request but not for deletion. Edit: Note that I would support a merge to Canis Minor. —  InsertCleverPhraseHere  04:41, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete no sources that use this name, and this is an obscure term for a constellation, not an astronomical object. It likely only has a page due to its name coinciding with the planet from Star Wars.  If the additional references on this page are relevant to Canis Minor they can be added to that article, but I don't support any merge. Power~enwiki (talk) 05:06, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


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